Reagan was right.

garbagemanlb · 02-02-2008, 07:56 AM

WWRD. Maybe the GOP should have listened to Reagan a bit more.

Thorgrim · 02-02-2008, 08:07 AM

False:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Ronald Reagan on George W. Bush

garbagemanlb · 02-02-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

False:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Ronald Reagan on George W. Bush

Thorgrim · 02-02-2008, 08:20 AM

There are many lies about Clinton that many on this board believe

Urban Legends Reference Pages: The Clinton Body Count
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Gold Star Mothers and Hillary Clinton
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Hillary Clinton Stamp
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Hillary Delays Thanksgiving For Troops

And clearly twisted statements to mean the opposite of what they mean, or some with no proof they were ever said:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: 'Marxist' Quotes from Hillary Clinton
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Hillary Clinton Quotes

thatguyoverthere · 02-02-2008, 09:20 AM

So this is a joke thread, or did you believe this Reagan story was true when you posted it?

garbagemanlb · 02-02-2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

So this is a joke thread, or did you believe this Reagan story was true when you posted it?

I got it in an e-mail, went to snopes (Like I'd read The Reagan Diaries), then posted. E-mail forwards ftl.

Thorgrim · 02-02-2008, 10:31 AM

when you read the email you believed it though, didn't you?

Exactly why Obama would be hard pressed to win the general election...so many email chain letters are going to be filled with him being a muslim terrorist

And we all know the people who voted for Bush are firmly in the "bomb the brown people!" camp, i really don't think they'd vote one into office...since Bush got a majority of the vote...

garbagemanlb · 02-02-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

when you read the email you believed it though, didn't you?

Exactly why Obama would be hard pressed to win the general election...so many email chain letters are going to be filled with him being a muslim terrorist

And we all know the people who voted for Bush are firmly in the "bomb the brown people!" camp, i really don't think they'd vote one into office...since Bush got a majority of the vote...

I assumed it was real, yes.

I also think you aren't giving enough credit to the American people. They will see him versus the GOP nominee in numerous debates and he will win those debates easily (in my opinion). If anyone is swayed by a such an e-mail, they will be few and far between and likely wouldn't be voting for a Democrat anyway.

Thorgrim · 02-02-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I assumed it was real, yes.

I also think you aren't giving enough credit to the American people. They will see him versus the GOP nominee in numerous debates and he will win those debates easily (in my opinion). If anyone is swayed by a such an e-mail, they will be few and far between and likely wouldn't be voting for a Democrat anyway.

How else do you explain the +15 poll advantage to Obama then the next day he loses by +3 in New Hampshire?

White people easily let race relations get the best of them

Also, he has not dominated one debate, and these were against mere primary opponents, one on one with McCain...I'm not a total cynic

I believe he can out campaign the old man, but I do not believe he has any hope of out debating him

McCain is a tough nosed stubborn man full of political, military and foreign policy experience, Obama spent the first 3/4ths of the Democratic debates (some 10 of them) afraid to look Hillary in the eye as she would give him the icey stare

RMNIXON · 02-02-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

(Like I'd read The Reagan Diaries)

I did not think so...................

But it is still funny!

Desperate attempts to defend Hillary at all cost beyond reason and sanity?

Not Funny!

David Octavius · 02-02-2008, 10:33 PM

Was bush still a coke head at the time or just an Alkie?

7960 · 02-04-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I assumed it was real, yes.

I also think you aren't giving enough credit to the American people.

You're "the american people" and you believed it, probably because it fed into something you already believed or wanted to believe was true.

The same thing is going to happen to obama...people who want to believe he's a muslim terrorist are going to see an email with "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" as the subject and read a hate-filled email and think "I KNEW IT!" and never check to see if it's true. And when one person on the distribution replies back with a snopes link they're might dismiss it and they might not, but it'll still be in the back of their heads.

garbagemanlb · 02-04-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

You're "the american people" and you believed it, probably because it fed into something you already believed or wanted to believe was true.

The same thing is going to happen to obama...people who want to believe he's a muslim terrorist are going to see an email with "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" as the subject and read a hate-filled email and think "I KNEW IT!" and never check to see if it's true. And when one person on the distribution replies back with a snopes link they're might dismiss it and they might not, but it'll still be in the back of their heads.

...except they will see him on the t.v. and in the debates versus the walking corpse that is McCain and change their minds.

7960 · 02-04-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

...except they will see him on the t.v. and in the debates versus the walking corpse that is McCain and change their minds.

what does seeing him on TV have to do with it? he's going to say the exact same things hillary said but he's going to say it in more of a preacher/james earl jones way.....then the next morning people are going to read an email about his muslim father and the muslim school he attended and see a picture of him not putting his hand on his heart during the anthem and think "A-HA!" or at least get a little bug of a doubt.

in other words, how can you say we underestimate people when YOU fell for it?

Thorgrim · 02-04-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

...except they will see him on the t.v. and in the debates versus the walking corpse that is McCain and change their minds.

Seeing someone you suspect to be an muslim terrorists being beaten in a debate by McCain does make a person change his mind...I really don't think debates change people's mind...Kerry won all 3 and had the big mo going into the final stretch, where did that get him?

I don't know whether you are a committed Christian yourself, or have much experience with them...but as people generally ignorant, and then you throw in Christianity...it's a very very powerful environment to scare people into thinking they just MAY be electing someone who is...A MUSLIM!!!!

Keither whatever, who was a muslim who won that solid Democratic district, I am pretty sure would have lost that same district in a presidential election as the Dem nominee...Americans are simply too afraid of muslims in general, even the whisper of a possibility is enough for too many people

If things play Obama's way, he'll get a big 15-20 point lead by the summer, only to see the smear start up big time, and he turns into the child-like muslim terrorist who snorts coke...then behind the numbers, people will start getting cautious and go "Well McCain is pretty indepedent, he doesn't seem like Bush 2.0, so its change, ill settle for that!" and que the election victory music at the McCain camp

garbagemanlb · 02-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Seeing someone you suspect to be an muslim terrorists being beaten in a debate by McCain does make a person change his mind...I really don't think debates change people's mind...Kerry won all 3 and had the big mo going into the final stretch, where did that get him?

I don't know whether you are a committed Christian yourself, or have much experience with them...but as people generally ignorant, and then you throw in Christianity...it's a very very powerful environment to scare people into thinking they just MAY be electing someone who is...A MUSLIM!!!!

Keither whatever, who was a muslim who won that solid Democratic district, I am pretty sure would have lost that same district in a presidential election as the Dem nominee...Americans are simply too afraid of muslims in general, even the whisper of a possibility is enough for too many people

If things play Obama's way, he'll get a big 15-20 point lead by the summer, only to see the smear start up big time, and he turns into the child-like muslim terrorist who snorts coke...then behind the numbers, people will start getting cautious and go "Well McCain is pretty indepedent, he doesn't seem like Bush 2.0, so its change, ill settle for that!" and que the election victory music at the McCain camp

I guess we'll see once Hillary concedes defeat to him.

garbagemanlb · 02-04-2008, 04:26 PM

If you want to use generalizations, I guess most voters, after seeing Hillary cry twice now in public, will think her too weak to be president.

Thorgrim · 02-04-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

If you want to use generalizations, I guess most voters, after seeing Hillary cry twice now in public, will think her too weak to be president.

It will never cease to amaze me how hillary haters will take any time a candidate chokes up and spin it to the public as if she were hysterical crying like a high school girl who had her puppy die

How many times have male candidates...in general...gotten misty? i dont know because no one has ever bothered to care

however if you want to call my rejection of a fantasy world where people have moved past race and religion, as a "generalization" go ahead

garbagemanlb · 02-04-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It will never cease to amaze me how hillary haters will take any time a candidate chokes up and spin it to the public as if she were hysterical crying like a high school girl who had her puppy die

How many times have male candidates...in general...gotten misty? i dont know because no one has ever bothered to care

however if you want to call my rejection of a fantasy world where people have moved past race and religion, as a "generalization" go ahead

I like how you ignore 'sex'.

Guess that isn't an issue anymore!

Thorgrim · 02-04-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I like how you ignore 'sex'.

Guess that isn't an issue anymore!

There are lots of women in Congress, there are a good number of female senators...

They all...on election day...got what the polling indiciated they would get (generally)

Black candidates running for governor/senate have almost always faced a bradly effect

So, in political ways, we have moved beyond gender in most ways

Race and Religion are completely different

Also, people who use gender discrimination actually have a reason that isn't completely hateful, they don't know if the person is tough-nosed enough to deal with running a state or getting them earmarks

With race...why the hell can't a black man be the governor of Virginia because he is black, what possible relevance does that have?

Look at this guy, he even looks Italian...yet whites lied to pollsters and his comfortable lead vanished because he was black, and alone in the private booth people can be as racist as they want