Obama sends out dishonest hit piece...real "politics of hope"

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

And that's a great example of government behaving just like conservatives love to see. A gigantic, lumbering oaf that never saw a system it couldn't make more complicated.

Why create a sleek system that actually distributes the true costs of health care more fairly when we can just force you to buy private health insurance by taking it directly out of your already meager paycheck? Instead of going after the root of the problem, let's exacerbate it and force people that already can't afford it to shoulder more of the burden for taking care of people that have no reason to stop killing themselves.

Zero proof that anyone who can't afford it will be charged a dime

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

There won't be any choices that are any good. It's either going to make health care even more unaffordable, deny more benefits, or simply drive the insurance companies out of business.

You can't complain insurance companies are going to get too much money one minute, then complain we are going to drive them all out of business the next

Middle-ground

And your other points are things that will be illegal under Obama or Clinton's plan

I must say, if you are that much against both the plans, how can your support a candidate who is making it the center piece of his agenda?

Can you name one other piece of legislation Obama is going to pass in his first year?

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

She was denied because the current system that rewards companies for denying treatment or coverage...however, much like current mandates on diabetes, the same would cover situations like Cigna faced

Also, there is no law of nature...we have a huge medical field, and people entering college are looking for a field that will get them a job, medical training could easily fill that void and we could kill two birds with one stone (dealing with service-industry dominance and UHC)

Why does Cigna still need to exist then?

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You can't complain insurance companies are going to get too much money one minute, then complain we are going to drive them all out of business the next

Middle-ground

And your other points are things that will be illegal under Obama or Clinton's plan

I must say, if you are that much against both the plans, how can your support a candidate who is making it the center piece of his agenda?

Can you name one other piece of legislation Obama is going to pass in his first year?

I'm giving three possible outcomes for the policy. I wouldn't dream of defending the insurance companies.

The president isn't a legislator, so I don't really care what he will or won't pass because nothing Obama proposes would make it through congress unscathed anyway. I care about leadership, I care about the effect he has on the rest of the country, and I like his outsider status and am looking forward to a cabinet filled with people that aren't artifacts of the 90s.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

That has nothing to do with what organization you choose...it's your choice

I am unable to find any logic in this post. Are you reading what I am posting?

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Zero proof that anyone who can't afford it will be charged a dime

There's zero proof to the contrary as well.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

Why does Cigna still need to exist then?

Because Americans are not politically (and some might say, literally) ready for single payer health insurance

Too many people want their insurance just the way it is now, its a democracy you can't ignore 40-50% of the population

Majority does not want single payer

Majority does not want "death by spreadsheet"

What do you do? Compromise

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

I'm giving three possible outcomes for the policy. I wouldn't dream of defending the insurance companies.

The president isn't a legislator, so I don't really care what he will or won't pass because nothing Obama proposes would make it through congress unscathed anyway. I care about leadership, I care about the effect he has on the rest of the country, and I like his outsider status and am looking forward to a cabinet filled with people that aren't artifacts of the 90s.

Ofcourse he is a legislator, there are large numbers of federal employees dedicated to putting the president's plans through congress to be crafted into law

The greatest presidents of the past 150 years have been defined by what laws they passed

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Because Americans are not politically (and some might say, literally) ready for single payer health insurance

Too many people want their insurance just the way it is now, its a democracy you can't ignore 40-50% of the population

Majority does not want single payer

Majority does not want "death by spreadsheet"

What do you do? Compromise

No, you educate.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Ofcourse he is a legislator, there are large numbers of federal employees dedicated to putting the president's plans through congress to be crafted into law

The greatest presidents of the past 150 years have been defined by what laws they passed

He's an executive. He provides the vision and signs the bills. I trust his ability to do that.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

He's an executive. He provides the vision and signs the bills. I trust his ability to do that.

what bills?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by bheld

No, you educate.

Ok, you go educate, in the meantime, ill go get insurance for those who are denied everywhere because of a pre-existing condition