Feeling kinda disheartened

[thewise1]

Honestly, just never mind what I said. I have better things to do.

And go ahead, call it a victory if that's what you'd like.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Grouch

You are dishonestly ignoring their differences though. McCain wants illegal Immigration, No ANWAR and other pristine drilling; McCain apposed the Bush tax cuts and is supported by just about every major liberal paper that has given an endorsement.

From what it sounds like you really knew jack shit about either of them and have just been sack riding a guy with no chance and inadvertently ushering in the worst of the 2 that have a chance.

Thanks for bringing socialism to the US even faster.

Thank yourself.

And if you really think there is that much of a difference between McCain and Romney, you're delusional.


Here's my favorite:

Romney Campaign Criticizes Calls - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

The Romney campaign has been doing automated calls to voters impugning Mr. McCain’s vote against the Medicare prescription drug benefit

So, McCain took a conservative position and voted against Medicare drug benefits, and Romney criticizes him for it and calls himself conservative.

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Why don't you just get to your point and explain what you're wanting to argue about? Surely it has to do with Ron Paul and his money arguments...gold standard...Ron Paul bucks or whatever he wants to make.

You're actually making a little more sense now Donkey...

As far as the above quote, you're on the right track...but not just "any" gold standard, one that is defined by "weights and measures;" See: Weekly Article: Open Letter to Congress

If government is kept in check...you know, that checks and balances part that is continually ignored, then our government wouldn't be allowed to get away with what they do. See: Constitutional Topic: Checks and Balances - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

As far as the Constitution not being perfect, that's why the Founding Fathers demanded it include a Bill of Rights...

Fed Up

[kombayn]

Socialism/Fascism is around the corner, but I'm sorry read this bill.

GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

It's been passed... This has really been passed.

Look how many times they use violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in this bill.

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

• `(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.
  `(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:
  • `(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
    
    

Basically we are slowly going to lose every right our forefathers fought for... DO YOU REALLY THIS GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, ABRAHAM LINCOLN OR JOHN F. KENNEDY would agree with these bills that violate our civil rights?!

We have a Patriot Act that can prosecute people without given a trial by jury. I really can't fathom those ideals, I mean shit the internet is run amok with faceless users, but at least we're allowed the right to say whatever the hell we please.

I don't know, it's going to be so strange to see the world 30 years from now. Really strange.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by kombayn

Socialism/Fascism is around the corner, but I'm sorry read this bill.

GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

It's been passed... This has really been passed.

Look how many times they use violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in this bill.

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

• `(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.
  `(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:
  • `(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
    
    

Basically we are slowly going to lose every right our forefathers fought for... DO YOU REALLY THIS GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, ABRAHAM LINCOLN OR JOHN F. KENNEDY would agree with these bills that violate our civil rights?!

We have a Patriot Act that can prosecute people without given a trial by jury. I really can't fathom those ideals, I mean shit the internet is run amok with faceless users, but at least we're allowed the right to say whatever the hell we please.

I don't know, it's going to be so strange to see the world 30 years from now. Really strange.

I'm reading through this bill right now... holy shit.

This creates a commission of 10 people, appointed for the life of the commission... and of course the rest of what it does...

But it's ok, because Americans 'want' it.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by lew

Thank yourself.

And if you really think there is that much of a difference between McCain and Romney, you're delusional.

There seems to be more of a difference than you were educated enough to know about.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Grouch

There seems to be more of a difference than you were educated enough to know about.

You sure have posted a lot of evidence supporting your view that there is stark contrast between McCain and Romney, and that Romney isn't a liberal.

[thewise1]

I guess it's ok to require that people buy health insurance; it's not technically a tax since you are required to pay a private company, right?

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I guess it's ok to require that people buy health insurance; it's not technically a tax since you are required to pay a private company, right?

I sure as shit don't want to be paying for some other poor assholes health care.

[thewise1]

Then why would you want Romney as president?

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Then why would you want Romney as president?

Health Care

You are welcome to show me where Romney says my taxes will be going to national health care system.

last I read he wanted every person to buy private health care.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by Grouch

Health Care

You are welcome to show me where Romney says my taxes will be going to national health care system.

last I read he wanted every person to buy private health care.

Oh, so forcing people to buy it is different from forcing people to pay taxes, and then buying it.

[Thorgrim]

Would you rather a drivers tax, or state-mandated drivers insurance?

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Oh, so forcing people to buy it is different from forcing people to pay taxes, and then buying it.

Nice quip, though just as retarded and ignorant as the comic you posted.

First though if you had put even an once of effort, not that you would even do that because he's not Ron Paul, you'd notice that it still calls for private care by making it cheaper by eliminating the regulation and letting the free market take over. Oh shit I said free market.

And yet still it would be private health care, meaning I have choice of insurers and choice of treatment without all the extra garbage seen in state healthcare systems in Europe.

And I'm paying for my healthcare as good or as bad as I want it. I'm not paying for you're healthcare because you're to poor to stupid to buy it.

Even a retard should be able to figure it out.

Also since you've put zero time or effort in to understanding the facts, in the MASS plan every effort was to be made to get those able to be on medicare to enroll in it, use the system that is ready there instead of just making it bigger and more complicated.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by Grouch

Nice quip, though just as retarded and ignorant as the comic you posted.

First though if you had put even an once of effort, not that you would even do that because he's not Ron Paul, you'd notice that it still calls for private care by making it cheaper by eliminating the regulation and letting the free market take over. Oh shit I said free market.

And yet still it would be private health care, meaning I have choice of insurers and choice of treatment without all the extra garbage seen in state healthcare systems in Europe.

And I'm paying for my healthcare as good or as bad as I want it. I'm not paying for you're healthcare because you're to poor to stupid to buy it.

Even a retard should be able to figure it out.

Also since you've put zero time or effort in to understanding the facts, in the MASS plan every effort was to be made to get those able to be on medicare to enroll in it, use the system that is ready there instead of just making it bigger and more complicated.

It's a really free market when consumers are forced to buy it by the government

[thewise1]

And in case you don't understand how insurance companies work, you ARE paying for everyone else's healthcare that is insured by that company

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by thewise1

It's a really free market when consumers are forced to buy it by the government

Yeah I guess my car insurance mandatory by the state government in CA isn't affected by the rules of the free market either. Yeah there is no competition or anything at all.

\Stop trying to make a point, you look dumber and dumber with every post.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by thewise1

And in case you don't understand how insurance companies work, you ARE paying for everyone else's healthcare that is insured by that company

And if you're not paying also, you're not getting shit. I'm not helping anyone with a free ride or am I paying more than anyone else because someone else can't pay as much.

You would think you'd a little smarter about this.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Grouch

Yeah I guess my car insurance mandatory by the state government in CA isn't affected by the rules of the free market either. Yeah there is no competition or anything at all.

\Stop trying to make a point, you look dumber and dumber with every post.

If car insurance were not mandatory, car insurance rates would be significantly lower than they are.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Publius

If car insurance were not mandatory, car insurance rates would be significantly lower than they are.

Everyone is just dying to de-mandate car insurance