I will vote for John McCain

[RMNIXON]

Unless there is some serious error in his campaign it looks like the Republican choice has been made. The only possible consideration would be to vote for McCain or not vote at all.

I understand that he might do considerable damage to the party and that the election of either top Democrat could restart a real conservative revolution in two to four years. If the nomination goes to Clinton I would put good money on it.

However, I must consider more than my party. The war on terror is still my top priority and I can trust McCain to take the right action and not the poll driven one. Another bad mistake in the next four years and all the economic and immigration considerations will take a major back seat to this still serious problem. If we follow another path of appeasement it will be a signal to all Nations in Europe and elsewhere to do likewise.



Hillary doing the right thing by accident out of her own self interest is a major gamble. And Obama is no John Kennedy until tested.

With that said I will not bother to defend John McCain's positions on issues or history that I do not support. I am not a brain dead Rah Rah for any candidate.

I will point out the hypocrisy of those who are entertained with the trouble in Republican ranks but who lack honesty and principle themselves. That or in some cases just ignor the more outragious altogether as I have done in the past.

And when a defense is warranted I will make it. Even Obama, who I thought was honest, had to work the "100 years of war" talking points into his message last night. He knows damn well what McCain said and what he meant. That is pure gutter politics and the type of fear mongering of the ignorant that he claims to be so against. He should be ashamed!

[garbagemanlb]

I too consider the war on terror a top priority, and for that reason I will never vote for a Republican candidate.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Unless there is some serious error in his campaign it looks like the Republican choice has been made. The only possible consideration would be to vote for McCain or not vote at all.

I understand that he might do considerable damage to the party and that the election of either top Democrat could restart a real conservative revolution in two to four years. If the nomination goes to Clinton I would put good money on it.

However, I must consider more than my party. The war on terror is still my top priority and I can trust McCain to take the right action and not the poll driven one. Another bad mistake in the next four years and all the economic and immigration considerations will take a major back seat to this still serious problem. If we follow another path of appeasement it will be a signal to all Nations in Europe and elsewhere to do likewise.



Hillary doing the right thing by accident out of her own self interest is a major gamble. And Obama is no John Kennedy until tested.

With that said I will not bother to defend John McCain's positions on issues or history that I do not support. I am not a brain dead Rah Rah for any candidate.

I will point out the hypocrisy of those who are entertained with the trouble in Republican ranks but who lack honesty and principle themselves. That or in some cases just ignor the more outragious altogether as I have done in the past.

And when a defense is warranted I will make it. Even Obama, who I thought was honest, had to work the "100 years of war" talking points into his message last night. He knows damn well what McCain said and what he meant. That is pure gutter politics and the type of fear mongering of the ignorant that he claims to be so against. He should be ashamed!

RM,

Speaking of fear mongering...

Do you think this administration will conjure up a war with Iran so as to intstill more fear in the serfs to get "their guy" elected and save America?

Fed Up

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I too consider the war on terror a top priority, and for that reason I will never vote for a Republican candidate.

Is that really your honest opinion or are you just trying to be a smartass?

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Is that really your honest opinion or are you just trying to be a smartass?

Yes, it is. Our own intelligence agencies have shown that our actions have only strengthened Al Qaeda and the anti-american sentiment. Do I think a full pull-out would erase that hatred? Hell no. The thing is, the sort of mindset that increases hatred towards us is exactly what McCain has. This idea of 'us vs. them' and black and white is juvenile, illogical, and dangerous. We do have enemies, but the situation is much more complex than he or any other war supporter would ever be willing to admit.

I say a change is in order.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

RM,

Speaking of fear mongering...

Do you think this administration will conjure up a war with Iran so as to intstill more fear in the serfs to get "their guy" elected and save America?

Fed Up

I predict the Bush Administration will not be very involved in this election at all. And I don't think any phony wars are in the works either.

I don't think we will go to war with Iran. I think any ground war with Iran would only be considered if they launched an invasion into other countries such as Iraq. But the possibility of an air strike against Nuke related facilities should be on the table. Both Hillary and Obama have been careful on the subject. As soon as either one gets the nomination they may start getting more classified briefings and be even more careful.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Yes, it is. Our own intelligence agencies have shown that our actions have only strengthened Al Qaeda and the anti-american sentiment. Do I think a full pull-out would erase that hatred? Hell no. The thing is, the sort of mindset that increases hatred towards us is exactly what McCain has. This idea of 'us vs. them' and black and white is juvenile, illogical, and dangerous. We do have enemies, but the situation is much more complex than he or any other war supporter would ever be willing to admit.

I say a change is in order.

If that is your opinion of McCain then fine. I was hoping for something more specific than just blaming Republicans in general. You cannot fairly blame them for intelligence failures, but you can spread blame for policy as you like.

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

If that is your opinion of McCain then fine. I was hoping for something more specific than just blaming Republicans in general. You cannot fairly blame them for intelligence failures, but you can spread blame for policy as you like.

I don't support Hillary for a reason.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

You cannot fairly blame them for intelligence failures, but you can spread blame for policy as you like.

That comment was addressed to someone else, but I'll shoot an answer to you....

I blame them for intelligence failures that have led to policy failures. Just look at the PNAC letter to Bush that caused him to implement his Iraq strategy. This letter was signed by many neocons including Gary Bauer who runs a Christian website yet wants to "kill them before they kill me." Perhaps you've heard of others from PNAC: William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Michael Ledeen, Jeb Bush, Frank Gaffeny, Elliot Abrams, Thomas Donnelly, Eliot Cohen, Richard Perle, John R. Bolton and David Frum.

Here is there letter to Bush: Iraq/Middle East

So yes, I will blame them and Bush for the mess they got us into in Iraq! You can still find some of them now at AEI: (They just gave the Irving Kristol (Bill's father) award to Howard from Australia, one of our partners in the war in Iraq).

McCain will tow their party line because his advisors would be the same group of neocons.

Fed Up

[Fed Up]

McCain is 0-8 in votes so far since running for office:

McCain misses vote on economic stimulus - Yahoo! News

Looks like he didn't want to upset seniors in missing yesterday's vote on the economic stimulus plan.

So who is John McCain and what does he stand for?

And why isn't he doing his job?

Fed Up

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I predict the Bush Administration will not be very involved in this election at all. And I don't think any phony wars are in the works either.

I don't think we will go to war with Iran. I think any ground war with Iran would only be considered if they launched an invasion into other countries such as Iraq. But the possibility of an air strike against Nuke related facilities should be on the table. Both Hillary and Obama have been careful on the subject. As soon as either one gets the nomination they may start getting more classified briefings and be even more careful.

I love how their sovereignty means nothing to you - I wonder if they were suggesting an airstrike on our nuclear facilities, how you would react

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I predict the Bush Administration will not be very involved in this election at all. And I don't think any phony wars are in the works either.

I don't think we will go to war with Iran. I think any ground war with Iran would only be considered if they launched an invasion into other countries such as Iraq. But the possibility of an air strike against Nuke related facilities should be on the table. Both Hillary and Obama have been careful on the subject. As soon as either one gets the nomination they may start getting more classified briefings and be even more careful.

RM, thoughts on this?

Dissident Voice : Iran’s Oil Bourse could Topple the Dollar

Excerpt:

"Despite the lack of media coverage, the build-up for war in the Gulf has continued and the probability of a US-led attack on Iran is quite high. Bush is convinced that if he doesn’t confront Iran, then no one will. He also believes that if he doesn’t militarily defend the dollar, then America’s days as “the world’s only superpower” will soon be over. The question is whether Bush will realize that America is already bogged-down in two “unwinnable” conflicts or if he will “go with his gut” once again and lead us into a ruinous region-wide conflagration."

Fed Up

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I don't support Hillary for a reason.

I will always give you points for that!

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

RM, thoughts on this?

Dissident Voice : Iran’s Oil Bourse could Topple the Dollar

Excerpt:

"Despite the lack of media coverage, the build-up for war in the Gulf has continued and the probability of a US-led attack on Iran is quite high. Bush is convinced that if he doesn’t confront Iran, then no one will. He also believes that if he doesn’t militarily defend the dollar, then America’s days as “the world’s only superpower” will soon be over. The question is whether Bush will realize that America is already bogged-down in two “unwinnable” conflicts or if he will “go with his gut” once again and lead us into a ruinous region-wide conflagration."

Fed Up

I have been hearing about how our US attack on Iran is just around the corner for many years now. I just don't see it unless they make a sudden provocation. If all this Neocon planning were in the works then why release the recent intelligence report and have general support in the Administration for its findings? I could be wrong, but their are always plans made for any number of possible events or outcomes. There are piles of policy letters and recomendations. Picking out one after the fact does not make cause and effect.

This is the same type of conspiracy thinking where people pull a handful of warnings that looked something like pre-9/11 out of a huge mountain of intelligence and say "Ah Ha! They knew about 9/11 before it happened!"

[Galactic Gigolo]

And then there were all those crazy people who said that we were preparing to start a war with Iraq.

Fools.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I have been hearing about how our US attack on Iran is just around the corner for many years now. I just don't see it unless they make a sudden provocation. If all this Neocon planning were in the works then why release the recent intelligence report and have general support in the Administration for its findings? I could be wrong, but their are always plans made for any number of possible events or outcomes. There are piles of policy letters and recomendations. Picking out one after the fact does not make cause and effect.

This is the same type of conspiracy thinking where people pull a handful of warnings that looked something like pre-9/11 out of a huge mountain of intelligence and say "Ah Ha! They knew about 9/11 before it happened!"

I don't view supporting the dollar by military means as "conspiracy," but alternatively, the military is the only thing that really backs the dollar.

I also believe our government has no other choice but to carry a big stick.

I don't like it, but that's what I believe.

If they'd just stay out of other people's business (I'm speaking of the "New" Republicans here), then perhaps oil would still be under $30 and the dollar would still be the world's reserve currency and Fed intervention wouldn't be needed. Unfortunately, Fed intervention will be proven irrelevant and at some point the big stick will have to be utilized.

Fed Up

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Galactic Gigolo

And then there were all those crazy people who said that we were preparing to start a war with Iraq.

Fools.

Iraq violated terms of surrender continuously after the Gulf War. It is no shock to find re-invasion for the purpose of regime change was being considered.

You object to the policy.

That is fine with me.

I am sure the Libertarian party will run somebody if not Ron Paul himself.

I am not sure what this has to do with who will run as a Republican and why?

[AVengeance]

Hooray for you, for voting "for the winner". Make you feel good? McWar will lose this fall.