Continue the rEVOLution

AVengeance · 02-08-2008, 11:39 AM

We need to spur an election revolution, and it needs to happen NOW, before it's too late.

All of you that are thinking of voting for "the lesser of two evils" because YOUR candidate is losing- think again. We can make a difference, and your voice can still be heard, but ONLY if you vote for real change. No 3rd party candidate is going to win, that's a given. Your vote doesn't count for any more than any other single vote, so you're not going to keep "the other guy" out of power, that's a given.

So, what else is there to do? Throw away your vote by not exercising it? What a waste! VOTE 3RD PARTY! It doesn't even matter which one, but we should ALL agree on one. One thing is for sure- do not write in Ron Paul or any other candidate. Those votes will NOT GET COUNTED. Write-in votes only get counted if there's a very, very close race which requires a recount in a given precinct or county. You must punch a hole, push a button, or fill in a circle for a candidate that is actually running.

So here's my idea for the election revolution: everyone that is willing to not vote "the lesser of two evils" needs to agree on which candidate to vote for (libertarian, green, etc) It really doesn't matter which one. They're not going to win, but if Green Party gets 4% and Libertarian Party gets 6%, both would be in single digits, and the media could easily laugh it off. But what if more could agree on ONE to vote for? 10% is harder to ignore. 20% is impossible to ignore. And the biggest thing this would say to the ones that stayed home is YOUR VOTE CAN COUNT. We only have until Nov. to get this right. Everyone that had their vote thrown away by a candidate quitting the race should vote 3rd party. Every voter that knows that our choices are going to be two democrats, and wants to declare MY VOTE == NOT YOURS should vote 3rd party. Everyone that is registered to vote and just won't bother, because "my guy lost" should vote 3rd party.

Whaddya say?

thewise1 · 02-08-2008, 12:42 PM

I say two things

1) The rEVOLution is a really stupid marketing tool. In fact you might even call it an anti-marketing tool.
2) I'm writing in Paul

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thewise1

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 01:07 PM

I already voted, but I'd still vote for Paul and I'm still voting for him in November (personally I think he'll run third party).

For me it's about what I believe in and I can't take my vote and give it to someone that doesn't fit into this belief.

Paul can easily win the State of Washington today. Their media actually treated him well.

Fed Up

thewise1 · 02-08-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

I already voted, but I'd still vote for Paul and I'm still voting for him in November (personally I think he'll run third party).

For me it's about what I believe in and I can't take my vote and give it to someone that doesn't fit into this belief.

Paul can easily win the State of Washington today. Their media actually treated him well.

Fed Up

You in Washington?

Grouch · 02-08-2008, 01:45 PM

Why would you think any part of the establishment would care when no matter what you do they still win. Do you think they will look at the results and say "oh man 15% of the nation voted for someone other than us! We better do something" or do you think they'll say something more like "wow 15% of the population just got me elected in to office that much easier!"

Personally I'd wait till the Republican Party is dead, figure that will happen in 20 years, and start over. A 3 party system on the national level has never really worked in the US and without support from the people in power (i.e. our politicians) because their power is threatened (voting for a 3rd party that can't win isn't a threat to their power) it never will work. It will have to be a united change across all social and economic classes, and that just won’t happen.

Just looking at it realistically.

thewise1 · 02-08-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Grouch

Why would you think any part of the establishment would care when no matter what you do they still win. Do you think they will look at the results and say "oh man 15% of the nation voted for someone other than us! We better do something" or do you think they'll say something more like "wow 15% of the population just got me elected in to office that much easier!"

Personally I'd wait till the Republican Party is dead, figure that will happen in 20 years, and start over. A 3 party system on the national level has never really worked in the US and without support from the people in power (i.e. our politicians) because their power is threatened (voting for a 3rd party that can't win isn't a threat to their power) it never will work. It will have to be a united change across all social and economic classes, and that just won’t happen.

Just looking at it realistically.

Actually, it's about 20% of people who really elect anyone in this country. 80% of the voting population can be counted on to vote blindly R or D, the 20% is what you need to win.

Grouch · 02-08-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by thewise1

Actually, it's about 20% of people who really elect anyone in this country. 80% of the voting population can be counted on to vote blindly R or D, the 20% is what you need to win.

Shouldn't it be 20% of the population actually votes at all. So you're looking at getting 20% of 20% to have a "rEVOution".

thewise1 · 02-08-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Grouch

Shouldn't it be 20% of the population actually votes at all. So you're looking at getting 20% of 20% to have a "rEVOution".

"80% of the voting population"

Already accounted for that

AVengeance · 02-08-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by thewise1

I say two things

1) The rEVOLution is a really stupid marketing tool. In fact you might even call it an anti-marketing tool.
2) I'm writing in Paul

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thewise1

I was only using the word like that to get the RP lovers (and haters) to read it. This is actually bigger than Ron Paul.

BTW: you should vote for a candidate that actually exists, or you vote really won't be counted. Hopefully, Paul will be on there. If not, we should agree on a candidate to vote for, to make a protest vote with a meaningful percentage at the end of the day.

AVengeance · 02-08-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

...I'm still voting for him in November (personally I think he'll run third party).

That's what I'm talking about. Not the primaries, 'cause he's going to stay in 'till the bitter end, but in Nov. If RP is not on the ballot, we need to decide which candidate to vote for. Not so he/she will win, but so our voice can be heard as loudly as possible as a voice of dissent.

For me it's about what I believe in and I can't take my vote and give it to someone that doesn't fit into this belief.

Fed Up

I realize this, which is why I'm not voting (R) just to vote that way, or just to vote against the (D) side (or vice-versa). But we need to all vote for one candidate in order to make our voice heard. As I said above- two 5% don't mean shit, but one 10% is harder to ignore.

Why would you think any part of the establishment would care when no matter what you do they still win. Do you think they will look at the results and say "oh man 15% of the nation voted for someone other than us! We better do something" or do you think they'll say something more like "wow 15% of the population just got me elected in to office that much easier!"

Personally I'd wait till the Republican Party is dead, figure that will happen in 20 years

I doubt it. Or by the time this happens, something worse will have taken its place, or we won't even be voting for real at all (think Saddam Hussien elections).

and start over. A 3 party system on the national level has never really worked in the US

But the parties have changed over time. Besides, that's not the point, propping up one brand over another. It's to put all our voices together in one bit shout to the rest of the nation, telling them it IS possible to vote for someone else.

We also need to make sure that whoever gets elected does NOT have a majority of the votes. I'd like to see the next president get elected (if it's a shitty one like McCain) with about 35% of the vote.

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:
Personally I'd wait till the Republican Party is dead, figure that will happen in 20 years
I doubt it. Or by the time this happens, something worse will have taken its place, or we won't even be voting for real at all (think Saddam Hussien elections).

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and start over. A 3 party system on the national level has never really worked in the US
But the parties have changed over time. Besides, that's not the point, propping up one brand over another. It's to put all our voices together in one bit shout to the rest of the nation, telling them it IS possible to vote for someone else.

We also need to make sure that whoever gets elected does NOT have a majority of the votes. I'd like to see the next president get elected (if it's a shitty one like McCain) with about 35% of the vote.

I never said the "quotes" above...Grouch did... Your post made it seem as if I did.

Fed Up

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by AVengeance

That's what I'm talking about. Not the primaries, 'cause he's going to stay in 'till the bitter end, but in Nov. If RP is not on the ballot, we need to decide which candidate to vote for. Not so he/she will win, but so our voice can be heard as loudly as possible as a voice of dissent.

I realize this, which is why I'm not voting (R) just to vote that way, or just to vote against the (D) side (or vice-versa). But we need to all vote for one candidate in order to make our voice heard. As I said above- two 5% don't mean shit, but one 10% is harder to ignore.

Why would you think any part of the establishment would care when no matter what you do they still win. Do you think they will look at the results and say "oh man 15% of the nation voted for someone other than us! We better do something" or do you think they'll say something more like "wow 15% of the population just got me elected in to office that much easier!"

Well...I am writing a book about it....

so I believe we're on the same page.

What I believe to be one of the issues is that they purposefully keep us sheeple arguing Left vs. Right issues whilst they steal us blind via inflation. Naturally we agree that both parties have caused our current economic plight. For the sheeple to think that electing one of the same garbage in will result in anything but garbage out is naive. The problem is, the sheeple don't know the difference. They're sheeple minds are kept busy with the escapades of Britney Spears or reality TV. The news they receive is propoganda for more government with a minute or two of lightheartedness.

We're all patterns of our parents. For most Americans this means that if your parent was Republican, then you're a republican. But why are you a republican? What do you stand for that makes you a republican? Is this really who you are? These questions are not asked for the most part.

What I see in this forum are many people who know who they are and defend their stances. When I debate people on Michele Malkin's site and start asking pointed questions about what the "New" Republican party stands for, there is silence in response. What I have done is challenge their knowledge of who they are and what the "really" stand for.

Good luck to both of us in our endeavors!

Fed Up

JaJae · 02-08-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

Well...I am writing a book about it....

Slightly off topic, but when you finish your book please post the info for the forum. I know I as well as many others would likely enjoy it.

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Slightly off topic, but when you finish your book please post the info for the forum. I know I as well as many others would likely enjoy it.

I appreciate that JaJae...

My issue of late, at least according to the "experts," seems to be the fact that I don't have a name for myself...so why would people be interested.

I've spent much time in research and formulating ideas which I am turning into chapters, but the so called experts seem to think the number of books sold would be minimal because of name recognition. So unless I run for political office and win, or become an actor, according to them, the book won't do well.

But I'm not going to let that deter me from what I've spent the last 2 1/2 years working on. I just think I need to speak to other "experts!" Ha!

Fed Up

RMNIXON · 02-08-2008, 06:38 PM

The 95% + voter compromise!

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 07:05 PM

The guy who's going to save America!

Donkey® · 02-08-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

Paul can easily win the State of Washington today.

Fed Up

Bullshit. Paul can't even win a game of Connect 4 against a no legged Rhino.

Fed Up · 02-08-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Bullshit. Paul can't even win a game of Connect 4 against a no legged Rhino.

You're right...It's tomorrow!

Fed Up

JaJae · 02-09-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

I appreciate that JaJae...

My issue of late, at least according to the "experts," seems to be the fact that I don't have a name for myself...so why would people be interested.

I've spent much time in research and formulating ideas which I am turning into chapters, but the so called experts seem to think the number of books sold would be minimal because of name recognition. So unless I run for political office and win, or become an actor, according to them, the book won't do well.

But I'm not going to let that deter me from what I've spent the last 2 1/2 years working on. I just think I need to speak to other "experts!" Ha!

Fed Up

If you don't get it published, I'll purchase a copy of the transcript off you. Good luck.

Donkey® · 02-10-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Fed Up

You're right...It's tomorrow!

Fed Up

Well, he came in third...at least he got more votes than Romney.