From The Times February 11, 2008 Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an “extraordinary crisis”. Last year's mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military “created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight”. The terrorist group's security ...
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| Iraq Crisis, Panic, and Fear! From The Times February 11, 2008 Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an “extraordinary crisis”. Last year's mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military “created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight”. The terrorist group's security structure suffered “total collapse”. These are the words not of al-Qaeda's enemies but of one of its own leaders in Anbar province — once the group's stronghold. They were set down last summer in a 39-page letter seized during a US raid on an al-Qaeda base near Samarra in November. The US military released extracts from that letter yesterday along with a second seized in another November raid that is almost as startling. That second document is a bitter 16-page testament written last October by a local al-Qaeda leader near Balad, north of Baghdad. “I am Abu-Tariq, emir of the al-Layin and al-Mashahdah sector,” the author begins. He goes on to describe how his force of 600 shrank to fewer than 20. “We were mistreated, cheated and betrayed by some of our brothers,” he says. “Those people were nothing but hypocrites, liars and traitors and were waiting for the right moment to switch sides with whoever pays them most.” Assuming the two documents are authentic — and the US military insists that they are — they provide a rare insight into an organisation thrown into turmoil by the rise of the Awakening movement. More than 80,000 Sunnis have joined the tribal groups of “concerned local citizens” [CLCs] that have helped to eject al-Qaeda from swaths of western and northern Iraq, including much of Baghdad. US intelligence officials cautioned, however, that the documents were snapshots of two small areas and that al-Qaeda was far from a spent force. They said that while the number of car bombs had fallen over the past year, the organisation had doubled its attacks on CLC members since October. More than 20 people were killed last night when a suicide car bomber attacked a checkpoint near Balad. Al-Qaeda gunmen stormed a compound of an “Awakening” group in Iraq's northern Nineveh province yesterday, the US military said. Among those killed in the fighting were 10 suspected Al-Qaeda in Iraq fighters. The Anbar letter conceded that the “crusaders” — Americans — had gained the upper hand by persuading ordinary Sunnis that al-Qaeda was responsible for their suffering and by exploiting their poverty to entice them into the security forces. Al-Qaeda's “Islamic State of Iraq is faced with an extraordinary crisis, especially in al-Anbar”, the unnamed emir admitted. In an apparent reference to al-Qaeda's brutal tactics, he said of the Americans and their Sunni allies: “We helped them to unite against us . . . The Americans and the apostates launched their campaigns against us and we found ourselves in a circle not being able to move, organise or conduct our operations.” Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' - Times Online Now before anyone gets upset I should caution that these documents are just a "snapshot" by admission and could be just more Bush Neocon plants or Cherry Picked Intelligence out to fool us all! I really don't know and it is up to each to decide what they want to believe and why. Who needs actual proof of anything these days? What is more certain in my mind is that the media in general can be counted on to ignor as much good news from Iraq as possible in the coming months as part of their unbaised election coverage and not rooting for anyone in particular. But I post this anyway. I thought you would like to know.
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| The biggest threat in Iraq is not from Al queda. It's from Suni vs Shia violence. So called sectarian violence. Sure it's great that foreign terror groups are not doing well but they have never been the major concern. | ||||
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| So we're finally starting to make headway on a self-inflicted problem. Awesome. Maybe now we can get back to the original goals of finding WMDs, spreading the warming glow of Democracy's shining light glowing for the world to see and warming hearts all over the world, and...eh, uh, terrists! Iraq 9/11 Iraq 9/11 Iraq 9/11 Iraq 9/11! | ||||
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
But the goal of these Al Qaeda groups in Iraq is to stir up Suni and Shia violence. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON Yeah, but even if Al Qaeda wasn't there.. the Sunni and Shi'ite populations would still be going at it.
That isn't to say Al Qaeda's attacks didn't make things worse, they certainly did.. but this is, like bheld said, a problem we caused for ourselves by going in without being willing to commit the needed number of troops from the get-go like Shinseki wanted. | ||||
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| I admit we vastly underestimated the internal political problems, and were very slow to react when we did. Now that the Surge is working McCain likes to remind people that he was for it long before the Bush Whitehouse. What do you think of that? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON Working? What were the goals? What are the benchmarks for success?
If this is working I sure as hell don't want to see failure. | ||||
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| YaY! Al Queda in Iraq is almost non-existent in Iraq...kind of like before we got there. | ||||
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| O, then there's this... Originally Posted by article
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON The surge isn't working. The goal of the surge was to provide space for political progress to happen, that hasn't happened.
The surge has quelled the violence to some extent, but the levels are still far too high, and I attribute the *vast* majority of the drop in violence not to our troop presence, but due to the Shi'ite militias (Al Sadr and the other big ones) calling a temporary truce between each other of their own accord. | ||||
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