Berkeley v Marines - Page 3

bheld · 02-13-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

Inside Bay Area - Berkeley gives Marines the boot

Unsavory maybe, but not physical obstruction.

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

You're in no position to debate the validity of any medical research. Your opinion is of little worth anyway, as it doesn't change the motivations of other people.

this is internet message board, all opinions are of little worth nor do they change the motivations of other people.

Time between signing up for enlistment and shipping out doesn't constitute a "waiting period" unless you can change your mind without repercussions. This is a conflict of interest because the recruiters can't afford to give kids a chance to change their minds, and they certainly wouldn't do it unless it was policy.

Because everyone in this day and age want to be able to make decisions without making a decision. Guess what, signing up for the military is a big long lasting decision, it isn't like picking a major in college. And we play for keeps, there are no give backs. You are an adult, its a big choice, if you aren't prepared to make the decision you should really be mad at your parents and schools for coddling you. And the group of parents/schools that do this coddling always want more coddling. Every single choice, good bad or indifferent, has a repercussion.

It isn't the job of a recruiter to give adults a chance to change their mind, their job is to recruit and get adults ready to ship.

We can come up with all sorts of things that they should or shouldn't be able to do on a whim. All I know is that enlisting in the military is more permanent than any other situation you described.

Marriage is supposed to be for life and has serious financial repercussions if it isn't. That is pretty permanent.

It takes most people 15-30 years to pay off a house, that is a more permanent decision than signing a contract.

7960 · 02-13-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

YouTube - Code Pink Blocks Recruiting Center Entrance

and for video evidence of this travesty

I am the least violent person you'll ever meet, and I would have hit that woman at 8seconds who said "not today."

7960 · 02-13-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

Unsavory maybe, but not physical obstruction.

what?

did you watch the video??

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I am the least violent person you'll ever meet, and I would have hit that woman at 8seconds who said "not today."

the line of the clip was:
"some of us have jobs, gotta go to work"

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 06:55 PM

oh and if we really want to get technical, they are protesting a Marine Corps Officer Selection Office. Which means are looking for young adults only with college degrees and at the youngest they would be 21-22 years old. Is that still too young Bheld?

Another great video:
YouTube - Code Pink calls marines war criminals

7960 · 02-13-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

oh and if we really want to get technical, they are protesting a Marine Corps Officer Selection Office. Which means are looking for young adults only with college degrees and at the youngest they would be 21-22 years old. Is that still too young Bheld?

Another great video:
YouTube - Code Pink calls marines war criminals

"what the hell are we doing in hawaii anyway"

RMNIXON · 02-13-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

Unsavory maybe, but not physical obstruction.

So if a group tried this at an abortion clinic you would be OK with that?

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

"what the hell are we doing in hawaii anyway"

I would have asked what the hell are we doing in california anyway

RMNIXON · 02-13-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

Another great video:
YouTube - Code Pink calls marines war criminals

Just so they don't take their Tops Off!

That would be under the definition of "Torture!"

bheld · 02-13-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

what?

did you watch the video??

I didn't see his post until after that one went though. I was talking about the article, not the video.

bheld · 02-13-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

So if a group tried this at an abortion clinic you would be OK with that?

Harassment happens on a daily basis there. It's free speech, although the hate is a little stronger toward the patrons of a clinic than potential military recruits.

7960 · 02-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

Harassment happens on a daily basis there. It's free speech, although the hate is a little stronger toward the patrons of a clinic than potential military recruits.

it is illegal and just plain wrong to physically block someone's entrance to a legal/legit business.

that's what they were doing.

again, I'm pretty mellow but there were at least two people in those videos I would have hit.

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

it is illegal and just plain wrong to physically block someone's entrance to a legal/legit business.

that's what they were doing.

again, I'm pretty mellow but there were at least two people in those videos I would have hit.

I can't believe that the Berkleley police would not get involved, either a state or federal agency needs to get in there are restore order and safety.

7960 · 02-13-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I can't believe that the Berkleley police would not get involved.....

I said "at least" because of that cop. I know he's only following orders but he deserved a smack, too.

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I said "at least" because of that cop. I know he's only following orders but he deserved a smack, too.

who do they take orders from? Those people are tresspassing on private property and should be arrested.

7960 · 02-13-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

who do they take orders from?

Their captain...and from what I understand, police captain is as much about politics as it is about policing.

Those people are tresspassing on private property and should be arrested.

In the one video I watched they're on a public sidewalk.

It's infuriating to see the guy pointing out "I want to go in there and they won't let me, they're breaking the law" and have the cop say "I understand" and do nothing.

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

Their captain...and from what I understand, police captain is as much about politics as it is about policing.

In the one video I watched they're on a public sidewalk.

It's infuriating to see the guy pointing out "I want to go in there and they won't let me, they're breaking the law" and have the cop say "I understand" and do nothing.

they are blocking the door, that is private property.

bheld · 02-14-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

it is illegal and just plain wrong to physically block someone's entrance to a legal/legit business.

that's what they were doing.

again, I'm pretty mellow but there were at least two people in those videos I would have hit.

Well I said in the first place that I was against that. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I was just saying their rights should be protected as long as there's no physical action.

7960 · 02-14-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by bheld

Well I said in the first place that I was against that. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I was just saying their rights should be protected as long as there's no physical action.

should a group be allowed to blockade the door to a business and effectively shut it down for as long as they're willing to stay?