Berkeley v Marines

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

should a group be allowed to blockade the door to a business and effectively shut it down for as long as they're willing to stay?

Absolutely not. And anyone who says otherwise or condones the behavior is allowing their personal biases to get in the way.

[Scrum]

Is a Marine recruiting station really a business?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by bheld

Harassment happens on a daily basis there. It's free speech, although the hate is a little stronger toward the patrons of a clinic than potential military recruits.

I don't think this fully answers the question. And it isn't "free speech" when you don't have the right to be there. Nobody is saying arrest these people because of their message. They're saying what they are doing is illegal and should be treated as such.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Is a Marine recruiting station really a business?

It's not exactly a good term. But it could have just as easily of been a private organization. It doesn't matter. The law is the law. It doesn't matter whether it be your home, a church, abortion clinic, or even your local KKK hall.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Is a Marine recruiting station really a business?

what else would it be?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

what else would it be?

A government agency.

I tend to think of a business as something that exists to provide goods/services for money.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Is a Marine recruiting station really a business?

its a government agency renting part of a privately owned building. There are other nearby businesses that are being effected. If you watch the video you see the guy in the suit trying to get in and out of the building to his job.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

A government agency.

I tend to think of a business as something that exists to provide goods/services for money.

and there should be a distinction between a business and a govt agency? it's ok for a govt agency but not a business?

[bheld]

Originally Posted by 7960

should a group be allowed to blockade the door to a business and effectively shut it down for as long as they're willing to stay?

I said no twice already.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by bheld

I said no twice already.

In defense, your posts are muddled.. such as this one:

Harassment happens on a daily basis there. It's free speech, although the hate is a little stronger toward the patrons of a clinic than potential military recruits.

You were asked directly and your response ignored the crux of the question and then incorrectly mitigated the issue claiming it was free speech.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by JaJae

In defense, your posts are muddled.. such as this one:

You were asked directly and your response ignored the crux of the question and then incorrectly mitigated the issue claiming it was free speech.

Those posts didn't have anything to do with physical action. I was asked "directly" if I would approve of abortion protesters doing the things specifically mentioned in the article below, which I was responding to. NOT the video that apparently showed physical intimidation. I can't watch it because it's blocked for me.

An employee of a nearby business who asked not to be identified said Wednesday the elderly Code Pink protesters are aggressive, take up parking spaces, block the sidewalk with their yoga moves, smoke in the doorways, and are noisy.

I don't see any real physical intimidation/blocking there, unless they're doing some really interesting yoga. My response was more than appropriate given the simplistic nature of the question.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by bheld

I don't see any real physical intimidation/blocking there, unless they're doing some really interesting yoga. My response was more than appropriate given the simplistic nature of the question.

did you watch this video: YouTube - Code Pink Blocks Recruiting Center Entrance

[bheld]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

did you watch this video: YouTube - Code Pink Blocks Recruiting Center Entrance

No, like I said in the post right above yours, it's blocked for me.

[kinggovernor]

I think it is really time for a state or federal law enforcement agency to step in and restore order outside that building.
Perhaps the Federal Protective Services:
The Office of Federal Protective Service (FPS) is a branch of U.S. Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement and is responsible for law enforcement and security of nearly 9,000 Federally owned and leased buildings, facilities, properties and other federal assets. FPS is a Federal law enforcement agency with approximately 1,000 Federal Police Officers, Special Agents and Inspectors that provide integrated security and law enforcement services to U.S. Federal buildings and other properties administered by the U.S.

United States Federal Protective Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think we can all agree that no one wants a situation where the Marine Corps has to provide its own security.

[bheld]

Let me be crystal clear here.

1. I empathize with the motivation behind the actions of the Berkeley council, but not necessarily the actions themselves.

2. I don't have a dog in the code pink fight. If they didn't do any physical intimidation or blockading I didn't have a problem with them. If they did, then I disagree with them.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I think it is really time for a state or federal law enforcement agency to step in and restore order outside that building.
Perhaps the Federal Protective Services:
The Office of Federal Protective Service (FPS) is a branch of U.S. Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement and is responsible for law enforcement and security of nearly 9,000 Federally owned and leased buildings, facilities, properties and other federal assets. FPS is a Federal law enforcement agency with approximately 1,000 Federal Police Officers, Special Agents and Inspectors that provide integrated security and law enforcement services to U.S. Federal buildings and other properties administered by the U.S.

United States Federal Protective Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think we can all agree that no one wants a situation where the Marine Corps has to provide its own security.

Maybe they can call Blackwater.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by bheld

No, like I said in the post right above yours, it's blocked for me.

well it is a video of protestors dressed in orange jumpsuits physically blocking access to people trying to get in and out of the building.

[7960]

Originally Posted by bheld

No, like I said in the post right above yours, it's blocked for me.

it's the definition of "picture is worth a thousand words"

the article you keep talking about says "protesters are aggressive, take up parking spaces, block the sidewalk with their yoga moves, smoke in the doorways, and are noisy" but the video shows them physically preventing people from entering or leaving a building. And when I guy who got in tries to get out they shove the door closed until one of them finally yells "let him out but NOBODY GOES IN!"

the article doesn't even come close to describing what the people in the video are doing.

[7960]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I think we can all agree that no one wants a situation where the Marine Corps has to provide its own security.

In this case, I disagree. They should be putting the smackdown on the protesters.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

In this case, I disagree. They should be putting the smackdown on the protesters.

Yeah, having the military use violence against citizens would surly clear this up.