The lack of Pro-Hillary/Anti-Obama threads in Election 08 is deafening

Stylerod · 02-12-2008, 07:03 PM

I wonder why

motivez · 02-12-2008, 07:23 PM

How do you feel about a President Obama?

Stylerod · 02-12-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

How do you feel about a President Obama?

Well, not much better then I would a president McCain, but a whole lot better then a President Hillary.

thewise1 · 02-12-2008, 07:49 PM

Dunno why folks think he's so much better than hillary - unless they've just fallen for his smooth talk

Ardentfrost · 02-12-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by thewise1

Dunno why folks think he's so much better than hillary - unless they've just fallen for his smooth talk

I think he's better than Hilary b/c he hasn't been in politics (and DC specifically) long enough to have been as corrupted as other people (specifically Hilary). He could be, but I haven't seen any proof.

I think he would spend 4-8 years trying to get us out of Iraq and repealing some of the bullshit laws inacted over the previous 8 years. If he concentrated on that, he wouldn't have much time to do a lot else.

7960 · 02-12-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I think he's better than Hilary b/c he hasn't been in politics (and DC specifically) long enough to have been as corrupted as other people (specifically Hilary). He could be, but I haven't seen any proof.

In other words, we know hillary and are guessing/hoping obama can't be *that* bad

Ardentfrost · 02-12-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

In other words, we know hillary and are guessing/hoping obama can't be *that* bad

It's not just that. I'd rather Obama win than McCain too. Or Huckabee, or Romney.

IminWonderland · 02-13-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

In other words, we know hillary and are guessing/hoping obama can't be *that* bad

It wouldn't be the first time this country had to pick the lesser of two evils....

Phantom · 02-13-2008, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by thewise1

Dunno why folks think he's so much better than hillary - unless they've just fallen for his smooth talk

Being a president isn't all about policies. I'm far from the norm, but I think a President's positions on policy is the least important factor in choosing a pres.

Much more important, IMO, are:

1) Ability as commander in chief (what's pres going to do with the military?)
2) Ability as head of state (how is pres going to deal with foreign nations?)
3) Ability as an executive (how will executive branch be run, and who will be appointed to key positions)
4) Ability, and honesty, as a communicator (talking with the American people, running open and honest government)

Although Clinton and Obama are nearly the same on policies, it seems to me Obama will do a much better job with four key presidential duties above. Sure it's great to have a president who believes all in the same policies as you, but the president's primary job is that of an executive, not a lawmaker. As an executive, Obama seems to have convinced the public, and me included that he is the best person (from either party) for the position.

kinggovernor · 02-13-2008, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Phantom

Being a president isn't all about policies. I'm far from the norm, but I think a President's positions on policy is the least important factor in choosing a pres.

Much more important, IMO, are:

1) Ability as commander in chief (what's pres going to do with the military?)
2) Ability as head of state (how is pres going to deal with foreign nations?)
3) Ability as an executive (how will executive branch be run, and who will be appointed to key positions)
4) Ability, and honesty, as a communicator (talking with the American people, running open and honest government)

Although Clinton and Obama are nearly the same on policies, it seems to me Obama will do a much better job with four key presidential duties above. Sure it's great to have a president who believes all in the same policies as you, but the president's primary job is that of an executive, not a lawmaker. As an executive, Obama seems to have convinced the public, and me included that he is the best person (from either party) for the position.

which is why I support McCain, and I can see why democrats support Obama over Hillary. The first is the difference in last names, and the history associated with it.

thewise1 · 02-13-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Phantom

Being a president isn't all about policies. I'm far from the norm, but I think a President's positions on policy is the least important factor in choosing a pres.

Much more important, IMO, are:

1) Ability as commander in chief (what's pres going to do with the military?)
2) Ability as head of state (how is pres going to deal with foreign nations?)
3) Ability as an executive (how will executive branch be run, and who will be appointed to key positions)
4) Ability, and honesty, as a communicator (talking with the American people, running open and honest government)

Although Clinton and Obama are nearly the same on policies, it seems to me Obama will do a much better job with four key presidential duties above. Sure it's great to have a president who believes all in the same policies as you, but the president's primary job is that of an executive, not a lawmaker. As an executive, Obama seems to have convinced the public, and me included that he is the best person (from either party) for the position.

Thinking like that resulted in a president that has ignored law after law.

WickedLou9 · 02-13-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by thewise1

Thinking like that resulted in a president that has ignored law after law.

I don't think so. GWB was elected because of his father for one, because he was an evangelican christian, and really lack of any better choice. I don't think anyone believed that he was going to be any of these things mentioned above. People just hoped that he would surround himself with capable people. People liked Bush because he was like one of the boys. He was a plain spoken, downhome texas boy. I know that's really just a false image but that is what people saw.
Maybe people saw items number 3 and 4. But that's really it.

thewise1 · 02-13-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't think so. GWB was elected because of his father for one, because he was an evangelican christian, and really lack of any better choice. I don't think anyone believed that he was going to be any of these things mentioned above. People just hoped that he would surround himself with capable people. People liked Bush because he was like one of the boys. He was a plain spoken, downhome texas boy. I know that's really just a false image but that is what people saw.
Maybe people saw items number 3 and 4. But that's really it.

lol, a lot of people say even today that he's great at #1 and #2.

Phantom · 02-13-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by thewise1

lol, a lot of people say even today that he's great at #1 and #2.

I don't know if a lot of people agree, but there will always be some. They're entitled to their opinions, as much as I and the other 80% of the population disagree.

I don't think that's a reason not to vote based on my factors, but vote strictly based on policy positions.

thewise1 · 02-13-2008, 12:24 PM

Given the amount of power that the executive branch has either snapped up for themselves, or just exercised without anyone stopping them, I'll vote based on policy positions, thanks

Donkey® · 02-13-2008, 01:35 PM

Personally, I am primary'd out...and definitely tired of defending Hillary from hit piece after hit piece. Gets boring eventually.

David Octavius · 02-13-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

Being a president isn't all about policies. I'm far from the norm, but I think a President's positions on policy is the least important factor in choosing a pres.

Much more important, IMO, are:

1) Ability as commander in chief (what's pres going to do with the military?)
2) Ability as head of state (how is pres going to deal with foreign nations?)
3) Ability as an executive (how will executive branch be run, and who will be appointed to key positions)
4) Ability, and honesty, as a communicator (talking with the American people, running open and honest government)

Although Clinton and Obama are nearly the same on policies, it seems to me Obama will do a much better job with four key presidential duties above. Sure it's great to have a president who believes all in the same policies as you, but the president's primary job is that of an executive, not a lawmaker. As an executive, Obama seems to have convinced the public, and me included that he is the best person (from either party) for the position.

And I would add to that list that a President needs to be able to "reach across the aisle" when the situation calls for it - Obama (and McCain for that matter) can do it, Hillary can't. For whatever reason she is too divisive and that is last thing we need right now.

RMNIXON · 02-13-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I wonder why

More like an avalanche of kissing Hillary's butt threads!

I think it was actually worse than Ron Paul!

RMNIXON · 02-13-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by thewise1

Dunno why folks think he's so much better than hillary - unless they've just fallen for his smooth talk

That and it is Hillary we are talking about!