The term "homicide bomber" is retarded

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-09-2006, 04:04 PM

It's politically correct propaganda nonsense. The term is completely redundant. Every bomber is a homicide bomber. In what circumstance would someone bomb if not to commit homicide? That being the case, adding "homicide" before "bomber" serves no purpose. It's completely redundant. The only purpose it could possibly serve is to make a bomber seem even worse, as if that's necessary.

I've also heard the argument that the word "suicide" connotes that the bomber is a victim who deserves sympathy. That's absurd. First, who is swayed from outrage at a homicidal bomber into sympathy because he killed himself in the process? No one. But more importantly, what business is it of the media to control the emotions of viewers? Isn't their job to simply report the facts? Isn't manipulation of emotion the job of propagandists?

At any rate, adding "suicide" before "bomber" does serve a purpose. It denotes a unique kind of bomber that not only kills others, as all bombers do, but also kills himself in the process. That news agencies like FOX forgo a real descriptive term for a redundant term with more propaganda value speaks to the sad state of journalism today.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-09-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

It's politically correct propaganda nonsense. The term is completely redundant. Every bomber is a homicide bomber. In what circumstance would someone bomb if not to commit homicide? That being the case, adding "homicide" before "bomber" serves no purpose. It's completely redundant. The only purpose it could possibly serve is to make a bomber seem even worse, as if that's necessary.

I've also heard the argument that the word "suicide" connotes that the bomber is a victim who deserves sympathy. That's absurd. First, who is swayed from outrage at a homicidal bomber into sympathy because he killed himself in the process? No one. But more importantly, what business is it of the media to control the emotions of viewers? Isn't their job to simply report the facts? Isn't manipulation of emotion the job of propagandists?

At any rate, adding "suicide" before "bomber" does serve a purpose. It denotes a unique kind of bomber that not only kills others, as all bombers do, but also kills himself in the process. That news agencies like FOX forgo a real descriptive term for a redundant term with more propaganda value speaks to the sad state of journalism today.

I prefer homocide bomber as opposed to suicide bomber even if it is redundant and you're right it is.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-09-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I prefer homocide bomber as opposed to suicide bomber even if it is redundant and you're right it is.

Why do you prefer it if you acknowledge that it's redundant? Because of the propaganda value? Do you think it's okay for journalists to pump out propaganda?

6SpeedTA95 · 09-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Why do you prefer it if you acknowledge that it's redundant? Because of the propaganda value? Do you think it's okay for journalists to pump out propaganda?

No, I think that suicide bomber just like homicide bomber isn't always appropriate. If the guy successfully kills a bunch of people and himself then he's a suicide bomber, homicide bomber and bomber...if he kills no but himself one then he's merely a suicide bomber and if he kills no one at all he's a bomber that obviously sucks at bombing.

KatKanPlay · 09-09-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

he's a bomber that obviously sucks at bombing.

JaJae · 09-09-2006, 04:49 PM

I think the term suicide bomber gives them the prestige they want. I think calling them murderers is more fitting.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-09-2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think the term suicide bomber gives them the prestige they want.

So the word "suicide" carries prestige? I could understand your point if they were saying, "martyr mombers," but "suicide"???

JaJae · 09-09-2006, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

So the word "suicide" carries prestige? I could understand your point if they were saying, "martyr mombers," but "suicide"???

I think it's what they want to be called. It implies they willingly gave their life for a cause. Like the suicide bombers of Japan.

I think calling them murders is a far better term.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-09-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think it's what they want to be called. It implies they willingly gave their life for a cause. Like the suicide bombers of Japan.

I think calling them murders is a far better term.

I don't think suicide bombers have a preference either way about the word "suicide" because most don't speak English. And furthermore, if anything, they want to be known as martyrs, which is traditionally thought of as being killed, and only recently suicide as become accepted as martyrdom...so if anything, they'd want to minimize the fact that they killed themselves.

I don't understand why everyone is getting all emo about the word "suicide," as if carries the same connotation as "martyr" or something like that. As if I hated the guy when he was described as homicidal, but I want to pet him and snuggle with him when he's described as suicidal. It's a pretty bland, matter-of-fact term, and more importantly, people don't like suicide bombers regardless of what you call them. That makes this propaganda campaign not only stupid and redundant, but also completely unnecessary.

JaJae · 09-09-2006, 05:13 PM

What I'm trying to say is I think through my uneducated guess that the bomber would prefer the term suicide over homicide. So I'd rather call them the term that implies murder.

Sandrabon · 09-09-2006, 05:49 PM

Why not just refer to them as what they are? Terrorists.

JaJae · 09-09-2006, 05:51 PM

Welcome to the forum!

6SpeedTA95 · 09-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sandrabon

Why not just refer to them as what they are? Terrorists.

Welcome to the board

Sandrabon · 09-09-2006, 06:02 PM

Thanks! I'm finding it fascinating. I appreciate the welcome.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-09-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

What I'm trying to say is I think through my uneducated guess that the bomber would prefer the term suicide over homicide. So I'd rather call them the term that implies murder.

Why do you think he'd prefer suicide over homicide? Wasn't his mission to kill people? Isn't that the main point, and incidentally, he had to kill himself to do it? Don't you think he'd want to concentrate on the goal of his deed instead of the means? If he wound up killing no one but himself, he'd be a total failure.

But more importantly, who gives a shit what the terrorists want? It's not the job of the media to frustrate terrorists by assuming their wants and subverting them at the expense of reporting the facts clearly and as descriptively as possible.

Nonphixion · 09-09-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think the term suicide bomber gives them the prestige they want. I think calling them murderers is more fitting.

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think it's what they want to be called. It implies they willingly gave their life for a cause. Like the suicide bombers of Japan.

I think calling them murders is a far better term.

Your views are wildly off-base, my friend

1. "Murderers" by definition do not kill themselves.
2. "Suicide Bombers" of Japan were always referred to as Kamikaze. The term prestigiously meaning Divine Wind.

To detract from the word "suicide bomber" when referring to a Terrorist threat; is to buy into the mind-melding purpose of American propoganda. Leave the definition exactly as it is, because it is exactly accurate.

Kytro · 09-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

What I'm trying to say is I think through my uneducated guess that the bomber would prefer the term suicide over homicide. So I'd rather call them the term that implies murder.

I don't think it matters, they are dead so any wishes they have are no relevant.

Word games rarely change anything

motivez · 09-09-2006, 09:52 PM

Homicide bomer is kind of like, redundant isn't it?

If you're bombing something, chances are you're doing it to kill people.

"Suicide" is the method because rather than using planes, or gernades, or whatever, they're using themselves as a method of delivery for the bomb and killing themselves in the process.

Kytro · 09-09-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Homicide bomer is kind of like, redundant isn't it?

Surely you jest ? Do you not hear of homicide stabbers and homicide gunners?

curlyque221 · 09-09-2006, 10:32 PM

It doesn't happen often, but there are individuals whose target for bombings are buildings, cars, offices. In those cases, they do not necessarily kill people, or themselves. So what would you call that?

I agree, the title is redundant, but it is what it is...a definition.