Larry King owned McCain last night

[lew]

KING: All right, now, as I understand it, you first supported the Bush proposal.

MCCAIN: Sure.

KING: And then when they took public polls -- this was the accusation -- that said build the borders first before you do anything with regard to forgiveness, you then switched.

MCCAIN: No.

KING: That's not true?

MCCAIN: No. Look, the American people want the borders secured first. That's what we have to do. And...

KING: But they also want us out of Iraq.

MCCAIN: Uh, um, ah, uhhh.......

[A_C_E]

I wish he would stop trying to pander to the Far Right and just be himself. He was very likable back in the day

[Linzyhop]

just leaving iraq without any type of withdrawal period is just stupid. it reflects badly on us and our leaders. securing the mexican border is completely different and isn't a "war zone".... the analogy King gave doesn't prove anything.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

just leaving iraq without any type of withdrawal period is just stupid.

They have been saying that for years. There has been plenty of time to draw up a proposal. He chooses to go against the will of the people and uses the lack of exit strategy as an excuse.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

just leaving iraq without any type of withdrawal period is just stupid. it reflects badly on us and our leaders. securing the mexican border is completely different and isn't a "war zone".... the analogy King gave doesn't prove anything.

You obviously don't understand his point. It wasn't about whether either issue was a stupid one, or whether they were related or different....it was only about the fact that McCain acts like we must secure the border because that is precisely what the American people want - but when confronted with other things the American people want (like getting out of Iraq), McCain comes up with some excuse as to why that doesn't apply.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by lew

KING: All right, now, as I understand it, you first supported the Bush proposal.

MCCAIN: Sure.

KING: And then when they took public polls -- this was the accusation -- that said build the borders first before you do anything with regard to forgiveness, you then switched.

MCCAIN: No.

KING: That's not true?

MCCAIN: No. Look, the American people want the borders secured first. That's what we have to do. And...

KING: But they also want us out of Iraq.

MCCAIN: Uh, um, ah, uhhh.......

That's some good journalism....

Wish they would have aired King's interview of Ron Paul...

YouTube - Ron Paul on Larry King 1-3-08 (UNAIRED)

Fed Up

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by lew

You obviously don't understand his point. It wasn't about whether either issue was a stupid one, or whether they were related or different....it was only about the fact that McCain acts like we must secure the border because that is precisely what the American people want - but when confronted with other things the American people want (like getting out of Iraq), McCain comes up with some excuse as to why that doesn't apply.

i don't think it's comparable situation.

[RMNIXON]

McCain should have said "it is the right thing to do!"

An important part of leadership is to pursuade the people.

Ron Paul does the worst job possible if you look at the polls and the election results.


The idea that Larry King, the all time media owns anybody is not something I can take seriously.

[Rouger2]

King is a tricky tricky fellow.

[RMNIXON]

Real Clear Politics Transcript:

MCCAIN: No. Look, the American people want the borders secured first.
That's what we have to do. And...

KING: But they also want us out of Iraq.

MCCAIN: They want us out of Iraq honorably. And, as I've said before, well, are we back on that subject?

I said back when times were toughest, I would much rather lose a political campaign than lose a war.

KING: I meant only that you don't kowtow...

MCCAIN: And I meant that.

KING: ...to what the (INAUDIBLE)...

MCCAIN: And I mean it today.

KING: But you don't necessarily agree with it?

MCCAIN: I have to know what's best for the American people. And great leaders throughout the past, who I do not compare myself with, have stood up and are counted at a time of national security crisis.
Let's not confuse immigration with this transcendent challenge of radical Islamic extremism. This evil that's trying to destroy everything we stand for...

KING: No, I only meant it as you mentioned that the...

MCCAIN: ...and believe in.

KING: You mentioned the American public wants it.

MCCAIN: Sure. Oh, yes.

KING: So I mentioned another thing the American public wants.

MCCAIN: Well, but I think your point -- and I try to make the comparison between the two issues.

KING: Got you.

MCCAIN: But, look, they want the borders secured first. And I understand that. And our proposal has got to be securing the borders first. The American people have no trust or confidence in us that we would secure the borders. So, I still think that we need tamper-proof biometric documents for temporary workers and anybody who hires them without them will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

No one should be awarded for illegal behavior. And we've got to round up and get rid of the two million people who are in this country who have already committed crimes.

But we are also a humane nation endowed with the qualities of humanity and compassion. And I'm not going to send the wife who is here illegally, of a soldier who is missing in action in Iraq, out of the country. Nor does anybody else want to do that.

But the American people want the borders secured first. And that's the message. And that's what I'm going to do.

[garbagemanlb]

McCain is gonna get his wish, then.

Also at 'honorable'. Yeah, let's lose more fucking lives and waste billions more just to fucking save face. Christ.

[Fed Up]

KING: What's your favorite Bible passage?
HILTON: I don't have a favorite, but...
KING: You read it every day?
HILTON: In jail, I read a lot.
KING: Going to go to mass?
HILTON: Yes.
KING: All right. We're going to see a new Paris Hilton.
HILTON: Yes.

Oh wait....wrong thread....

by RMNIXON

McCain: I said back when times were toughest, I would much rather lose a political campaign than lose a war.

I don't understand how the media and radical right wing think that by leaving Iraq we "lose" the war. The war was over in a matter of days. If we fail at anything, it's the attempt to franchise democracy in a Muslim country.

Now who thought this was really going to work from the beginning?

Ron Paul didn't. Everyone from the radical right wing did.

Who's looking like a genius and who's looking like a fool?

Answer: McCain who doesn't stand a chance with his war mongering platform that lost the House and the Senate in November 2006.

Fed Up

[lew]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

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I know he answered it. What was funny was his waffling for a second before he answered it when he didn't know what quite to say

[lew]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Ron Paul does the worst job possible if you look at the polls and the election results.

Ron Paul has nothing to do with this thread.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

McCain is gonna get his wish, then.

Also at 'honorable'. Yeah, let's lose more fucking lives and waste billions more just to fucking save face. Christ.

Your opinion of what was said is your right, as long as you get a chance to read it.