watching the Clinton campaign fall apart is amusing

hsmith · 02-24-2008, 08:09 AM

"shame on you barack obama"

"these are tactics out of Karl Roves playbook"

Hillary, you won't win because people hate you.

motivez · 02-24-2008, 11:00 AM

I don't think it's that people hate her really, her campaign has just really really sucked.

She was the front runner because everyone thought she'd have the "Clinton machine" that was so amazing.. and it just never happened. You have people who really pay close attention to the way the campaigns are run saying she's run one of the worst they've ever seen.

She had a real chance to win here, and IMO if she had run a better campaign, she probably would have.. The message of experience hasn't worked against Obama so far, but I also think that it'll be different in November when he's up against what a lot of people see ONLY as a war hero, and not really a politician.

RMNIXON · 02-24-2008, 04:34 PM

Her real problem is that very little difference exists between her and Obama on the issues and he has borrowed the Reagan Teflon Coat on personal attacks. Within the ranks of his own party anyway.

The test will be if she can say these words to Obama to his face in the Ohio debate and get away with it?

Under the cloud of "Obamamania" I doubt it!

northhunter · 02-24-2008, 06:08 PM

When/If she looses the nomination she should divorce Bill and try again on her own without him dragging her down in 2012 or 2016 depending on whether Obamma gets elected or not.
As far as her campaign falling apart I don't think it's that people hate her, it's just that Obama's campaign was much better managed.

motivez · 02-24-2008, 07:27 PM

I think Bill's antics certainly hurt her, but divorce? That'd just make it look like she divorced him for political reasons, not sure it'd help her..

I don't think she'll try again. If Obama gets 1 term, she'll be pretty old by the time she has a chance rolls around again. I think this cycle was hers if it was ever going to happen.

7960 · 02-24-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The message of experience hasn't worked against Obama so far, ......

Because she doens't have any either.

kinggovernor · 02-25-2008, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

I think Bill's antics certainly hurt her, but divorce? That'd just make it look like she divorced him for political reasons, not sure it'd help her..

I don't think she'll try again. If Obama gets 1 term, she'll be pretty old by the time she has a chance rolls around again. I think this cycle was hers if it was ever going to happen.

When Bill got involved, her stock started dropping fast

Stylerod · 02-25-2008, 09:13 AM

And now Hillary's people are sending emails with Obama dressed in a Muslim like outfit.

CLINTON STAFFERS CIRCULATE 'DRESSED' OBAMA
Mon Feb 25 2008 06:51:00 ET

With a week to go until the Texas and Ohio primaries, stressed Clinton staffers circulated a photo over the weekend of a "dressed" Barack Obama.

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat frontrunner fitted as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya.

The senator was on a five-country tour of Africa.

"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?" questioned one campaign staffer, in an email obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

In December, the campaign asked one of its volunteer county coordinators in Iowa to step down after the person forwarded an e-mail falsely stating that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008®

Wow, they are desperate!

Stylerod · 02-25-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

And now Hillary's people are sending emails with Obama dressed in a Muslim like outfit.

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008®

Wow, they are desperate!

Obama's people respond

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear...

Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.

We'll see if this becomes huge news or just a little side story. You know if the Republicans did this they would be call racists, rednecks, etc by every news organization in the country and the people that post here. I don't think they will be so harsh with Hillary.

Obama slams smear photo - Mike Allen - Politico.com

Put a fork in her. She's DONE!

DosEquis · 02-25-2008, 11:16 AM

I think the only thing that Bill is messing up for her is that it almost looks like she can't do it on her own. His yelling back at hecklers and such is not a big deal i don't think. Further, I don't think their inexperience is a bad thing, especially obama's. He doesn't owe as many favors and is less likely to be corrupt. I also think both candidates are going to pick someone for a VP that is experienced as a mother f-er. Maybe one of their former opponents, like Dodd, Richardson, Biden, or possible Wesley Clark. Clark is probably one of Hillary's choices.

David Octavius · 02-25-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Obama's people respond

We'll see if this becomes huge news or just a little side story. You know if the Republicans did this they would be call racists, rednecks, etc by every news organization in the country and the people that post here. I don't think they will be so harsh with Hillary.

Obama slams smear photo - Mike Allen - Politico.com

Put a fork in her. She's DONE!

I never hated Hillary as a person - I just thought her politics was too divisive, that's why I support Obama. But stuff like this (the picture) and the other shameless tactics she has used is just wrong and sullies her image.

This should be a huge issue - its playing on people's fears. She derides the right wing, yet she uses their tactics all the time

JaJae · 02-25-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

And now Hillary's people are sending emails with Obama dressed in a Muslim like outfit.

This is disgusting. They release the photo to the media with the clear intent of reminding everyone of Obama's roots in hopes of helping their campaign. They didn't release this photo as means to help his campaign or because they were bored and had nothing better to do than plant photos of Obama to the media. This is borderline racist tactics as far as I'm concerned.

And then they have the gall to release this in response to Obama's campaign taking offense to their conduct..

Enough.

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry.

We will not be distracted.
Clinton's response to the day's Drudge - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com

They have no shame.

bheld · 02-25-2008, 12:42 PM

I can't wait until Texas and Ohio force her to drop out. She's trashing everything on her way out the door.

motivez · 02-25-2008, 12:46 PM

Yeah, this is pretty much the last straw for a lot of people.

Stylerod · 02-25-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

She's trashing everything on her way out the door.

Which reminds me of when GWB first came into the White House and found that the Clinton staffers had removed all the W's the computer keyboards.

I thought that was pretty funny actually, kind of a playful "Eat Shit" type thing as they headed out the door.

RMNIXON · 02-25-2008, 06:22 PM

DRUDGE

NYT Tuesday: Clinton now unleashing 'kitchen sink' fusillade against Obama... Developing...

JaJae · 02-25-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Which reminds me of when GWB first came into the White House and found that the Clinton staffers had removed all the W's the computer keyboards. I thought that was pretty funny actually, kind of a playful "Eat Shit" type thing as they headed out the door.

The Clintons stole a lot more than the W's off the keyboards when they left the White House. They were like trailer park trash raiding a hotel room... They stole art, furniture, etc that was donated to the White House.

Stylerod · 02-25-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

The Clintons stole a lot more than the W's off the keyboards when they left the White House. They were like trailer park trash raiding a hotel room... They stole art, furniture, etc that was donated to the White House.

Yeah. I remember that too. But the keyboard thing is what stuck in my head.

David Octavius · 02-25-2008, 11:55 PM

Now Clinton has this "5 point" attack strategy against Obama..she showing such lack of class. When you have to tear someone down to prop yourself up doesn't reflect well in the mind of voters. Besides, she said she is a leader, a leader does not have to do what she does, it stinks of desperation and lack of creativity.