Global temperatures drop sharply, what will the global warming alarmist say?

[6SpeedTA95]

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.


Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

DailyTech - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling


I like this line from an op ed

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.
But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age



I think its pretty hilarious and pretty telling that no one is talking about this. Media outlets are ignoring it and wont mention it because it doesn't fit their agenda, the Al Gore's of the world sure wont talk about it and yet they need to, especially if they're being "fair".

All four of the world's major global temperature tracking outlets have all shown substantial cooling, in fact it is the single largest temperature change UP or DOWN thats ever been recorded. Furthermore they attribute this to a downturn in solar activity from the sun, the first substantial downturn in nearly a century. This downturn in solar activity has resulted in global temperature drops between .65 and .75*C which nearly eliminates all of the estimated .80*C increase we've seen in the last 100 years.

[WickedLou9]

Its interesting but it doesn't really address the overall warming trend that we have observed. there will always be anomolies like this where something else changed drastically and it has an effect. I don't think we can count on the sun continuing to reduce it's output to offset everything we are doing.

[hsmith]

It is "Global Climate Change"

So this is just an response to what was Global Warming, now any changes are "Global Climate Change," it is a nice all encompassing term

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Its interesting but it doesn't really address the overall warming trend that we have observed. there will always be anomolies like this where something else changed drastically and it has an effect. I don't think we can count on the sun continuing to reduce it's output to offset everything we are doing.

But its ok to ignore the increase in solar activity we experienced much of the last century? Solar activity that contributes more to global warming than man can? They wont tlak about that, for the same reason they wont talk about this substantial drop in global temperatures.

[bheld]

Yeah, nobody predicted that temperatures could decline. This is a stunning new development that has blown the doors off of the climate change theory.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by bheld

Yeah, nobody predicted that temperatures could decline. This is a stunning new development that has blown the doors off of the climate change theory.

In other words no matter what is measured and observed, no matter how many computer models fail, lets all cling desperately to the political notion that debate is over.

[RMNIXON]

Real Science:

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

But its ok to ignore the increase in solar activity we experienced much of the last century? Solar activity that contributes more to global warming than man can? They wont tlak about that, for the same reason they wont talk about this substantial drop in global temperatures.

that has been debunked. there was no increase in solar activity.\

Sun's activity not to blame for climate change | The Register

Sun 'not to blame' for global warming. 14/09/2006. ABC News Online

Solar activity cleared of global warming blame - National - theage.com.au

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Real Science:

So you are saying that because the sun might continue to decline in output forever... we should not worry about the effect we are having on the planet. We don't have to worry about warming because god will make sure the sun gets cooler to offset what we are doing.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make.

[nygoeswest213]

Solar Activity is seen by MANY scientists as the main cause of what we have called global warming, but is really more accurately called global climate change. We dont have any control of Solar Activity and therefore we dont have any control of global climate changes either. Yes, solar activity could continue to decline, or it could be more active in the future. Either way our only option is to adapt, as human beings DO NOT control the temperature on our earth.

Should we conserve energy? Should be recycle? Should we do all we can to get away from our dependence on fossil fuels? Of course we should, because fossil fuels are an EXHASTIBLE resource, and as such it only makes good sense to conserve.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by nygoeswest213

Solar Activity is seen by MANY scientists as the main cause of what we have called global warming, but is really more accurately called global climate change. We dont have any control of Solar Activity and therefore we dont have any control of global climate changes either. Yes, solar activity could continue to decline, or it could be more active in the future. Either way our only option is to adapt, as human beings DO NOT control the temperature on our earth.

Should we conserve energy? Should be recycle? Should we do all we can to get away from our dependence on fossil fuels? Of course we should, because fossil fuels are an EXHASTIBLE resource, and as such it only makes good sense to conserve.

I think you just made that up. Most of it is false.

No, solar activity can not continue to decline forever. It's a physical impossibility.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I think you just made that up. Most of it is false.

No, solar activity can not continue to decline forever. It's a physical impossibility.

Actually it could, if our best science has completely missed the boat on predictions of our sun's life cycle.

That said, I agree that it won't. But it's entirely possible that it could continue to decline "forever" with regards to relevance to the lives of all human beings for the next few hundred years. Predicting the sun's cycles is something very new to us scientifically.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Publius

Actually it could, if our best science has completely missed the boat on predictions of our sun's life cycle.

That said, I agree that it won't. But it's entirely possible that it could continue to decline "forever" with regards to relevance to the lives of all human beings for the next few hundred years. Predicting the sun's cycles is something very new to us scientifically.

I don't know about you, but I don't stake my financial future on the chance that I might win the lottery. I think I could apply the same reasoning here.
I think it's likely that the sun's output will continue to have slight variations, as it has always had. I think we should plan on the fact that it's average long term output will be pretty much constant. So if we accept that, I think it would be foolish to shrug off man-made climate change in the hopes that the sun will magically change it's output to exactly compensate for anything we do.
( I am speaking in terms of the timeframe of human history here of course... I am fully aware that at some point the sun will exhaust all of it's fuel and destroy all life on this planet, but that will take a few billion more years )

[nygoeswest213]

Its unfortunate that so many are stuck in this mind frame. When the facts don't meet their preconceived conclusions, they are simply dismissed.

Understand that by doing so doesnt make your conclusions correct.

Im not going to argue with you about the facts. Al Gore told you this is the way it is, and so therefore it must be true.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by nygoeswest213

Its unfortunate that so many are stuck in this mind frame. When the facts don't meet their preconceived conclusions, they are simply dismissed.

Understand that by doing so doesnt make your conclusions correct.

Im not going to argue with you about the facts. Al Gore told you this is the way it is, and so therefore it must be true.

Oh the delicious irony.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by nygoeswest213

Its unfortunate that so many are stuck in this mind frame. When the facts don't meet their preconceived conclusions, they are simply dismissed.

Understand that by doing so doesnt make your conclusions correct.

Im not going to argue with you about the facts. Al Gore told you this is the way it is, and so therefore it must be true.

Warming and cooling cycles have to be looked at by trends over a long period of time. Say at a very minimum of 5 years, probably 10 years to start and be reasonable, and maybe even 25 years or more. When we have a cold spell over a couple months, it doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

I personally think it is dumb to pump tonnes upon tonnes of green house gas in to the atmosphere and pollute our shit just because we can and things are cheaper. I still have to breathe the air, drink the water, and eat the food. Secondly pushing that much gas in to the atmosphere thats not supposed to be there is certainly not helping anything when it comes to warming and cooling cycles. The problem is that people need to be scared in to doing what they do not want to do, or they won't do it. Whether it be paying a little more for things so we are pollutting the only planet we have, or doing something stupid like invading Iraq. So I present to you Al Gores movie, or George Bushs weapons of mass destruction intelligence.

The end of the OpEd where they talk of alarmists screaming when a bird shows up two months early, is a perfect example of the other direction.

Its cold for a couple months and those who want to squish the idea of global warming are like LOLZ its cold out.

A birth shows up early and those who are desperate for evidence will be like SEE WTF!

Its all a joke. We need to reduce pollution because it is the right thing to do, because it is the only planet we have. Cancer rates are ridiculous and a major contributor to health care costs. We can't hardly eat any fish out of our rivers and lakes because of mercury and other things. The haze over some of our cities is down right disgusting. Thats really why we should do something about it. If we do that, the global warming shit will take care of itself anyway.

[nygoeswest213]

Dos....I totally agree with you. Please see my original post on this thread. I said basically what you just said, although you said it far better than I did.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by nygoeswest213

Dos....I totally agree with you. Please see my original post on this thread. I said basically what you just said, although you said it far better than I did.

Ah, i was skimming fairly quick because i was at work earlier

[AMTR]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't know about you, but I don't stake my financial future on the chance that I might win the lottery.