Tables have turned: MS exit polls show Clinton supporters less likely to vote Obama

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Who do you think has more of a chance of taking a nose dive in the polls? Be honest

Perhaps the one who has nose dived in essentially every poll since the primaries began?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

This didn't come from stormfront

comparing ron paul supporters to neo-nazis is so 3 months ago

[motivez]

Originally Posted by lew

comparing ron paul supporters to neo-nazis is so 3 months ago

Calling some of them neo-nazi's directly is the new spring fad though

In all seriousness, I really hope Hillary recognizes that her quest for the Presidency is less important than a Democrat actually winning in the fall

This country can't afford another 4 years of Bush, and that's what we get with McCain-Rove and 100 more years of Iraq.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Who wants to gamble on a guy who is already wearing thin on many democrats and the public in general...and is losing to a frickin Republican who went hard-right and has a rich history of scandals regarding Keating 5

You can not be complaining about McCains scandals with a straight face as a reason to vote for Hillary? I mean, how many scandals has she been involved in?

This is an interesting letter that went out to Democrats mentioning her scandals and how they make her weak.

From: Maxim Thorne
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 8:46 pm
Subject: Clinton lies and sleaze

Hillary Clinton is a disaster for the democratic party. Now she prefers McCain to Obama. Now we know it was SHE who told the Canadian government that her railings against NAFTA were political posturing. It was not Barack's campaign!

We cannot tolerate her lies and stolen election.

Time for all of us democratics to wake up to this disgusting turn. As democratics this should affirm the end of her campaign.

At 3am, Hillary said she and Bill were in bed and she knows of all the calls a President gets at different times of the day and night. Really? So much involvement - so much togetherness. Where was she when Monica was having sex with Bill? 35 years of experience? When he was intimidating Katherine Wiley and Paula Jones? Where was the judgment on the cattle futures and white water. Do we forget Mark and Denise Rich? This was an impeached President who lost his licence to practice law. He committed perjury. They settled with Paula Jones for the full amount of her lawsuit. I haven't forgotten and none of us should.

I remember the scandal when the Clintons' bags were searched when they left the White House and they had to return historic artifacts and gifts.

When Bin Laden was building Al Qaeda, Bill and she were fighting impeachment, fighting Paula Jones, fighting Katherine Wiley.

Please, we are going down a nasty road with a nasty, secretive and proven lying Clinton. We should all want to see her tax returns, I want to see her White House emails. Let really send this candidate what she deserves: the spotlight on her vetting. She says she's been vetted. Partly true and it's not pretty what came out.

What still has to be vetted are her tax returns, her White House performance (we already know her disasterous failure on healthcare), her WH emails, the donations to the Clinton Foundation and library etc.

Time to moveon again. Obama is the only credible candidate who can move on beyond this continuing nasty dynasty of Clinton and Bushes.

[Thorgrim]

McCain's scandal and corruption cost the US taxpayer $3.4 billion, but nice gossip email you got there...it doesn't even take the first section to hit "error, completely wrong"

The canadian official knows for sure he talked to an Obama figure...and the Obama figure admits he was talking to him...there was no confusion on what campaign or who was talking to whom...

[Rouger2]

You think Hillary supporters will ever vote for McCain. Not a chance in hell.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

You think Hillary supporters will ever vote for McCain. Not a chance in hell.

Might stay home

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Might stay home

And if they do, their idiots for putting a candidate above the needs of country and deserve the government they will get

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

And if they do, their idiots for putting a candidate above the needs of country and deserve the government they will get

but you said you wouldn't vote for Clinton...

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

but you said you wouldn't vote for Clinton...

And? I was replying to your post that said people would stay home, me voting for someone else is not the same thing. Those who stay home just to spite Obama are stupid, especially if they don't like McCain. And the democrat ones who do it, are even dumber.

You forget, I am not a democrat, I think your party is just as bad the republicans. It just so happens that the best candidate of the three is a democrat but if its Hill, I rather go with the moderate republican that can reach across the aisle over the person who is polarizing and will have the opposition party oppose her every move just to make her look bad.

[Thorgrim]

You realize they'll do the same thing with Obama? And the Democrats will block anything McCain tries...but he really doesn't have much of an agenda except try to act like it's Bush's 3rd term so there isn't much to block

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You realize they'll do the same thing with Obama? And the Democrats will block anything McCain tries...but he really doesn't have much of an agenda except try to act like it's Bush's 3rd term so there isn't much to block

McCain will use veto power. That is something that Bush did not do enough.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You realize they'll do the same thing with Obama? And the Democrats will block anything McCain tries...but he really doesn't have much of an agenda except try to act like it's Bush's 3rd term so there isn't much to block

This is where we have a fundamental difference - I look at the person not the party. I don't automatically assume a republican is "omg evil and will destroy America", there are good moderate Republicans out there. Same with Democrats, not all are "extreme left liberals that will destroy America".

When I look at the person, I come to realize that politics in Washington is as much about personal relationships and respect with your fellow politicians as much as its about ideology and lobbyists. Yes in the end ideology and lobbyists win but a candidate that posses the qualities of a LEADER (in part with what I mentioned above) will get A LOT more done then a person than a person who views the opposition party as the enemy and vows to "fight THEM" at every turn.

Thor, this is a republic, not a dictatorship. I want this COUNTRY to do well, I can care less for a particular party...Hillary's style and perception (whether fair or not) is not suited for a well functioning republic.

[Thorgrim]

I don't need generalizations or bias to say John McCain will *try to* destroy America, I just need to listen to his campaign speeches

Iraq whatever it takes, who cares if it destroys our military, attack Iran and heck maybe Syria and leave us totally defenseless if there is trouble in Pakistan or North Korea

At home, his economic policies are basically "ummm...let the free market decide if its poor people, and if its the rich i support the fed's bailout"

Really, he has not given one indication how his presidency will be one iota different from George Bush if he were to have a third term

[motivez]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

there are good moderate Republicans out there.

Yeah, but John McCain is not one of them.

[kombayn]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'm still hoping a brokered convention leads to Al Gore being nominated

He'd be the most amazing president of all time

I can't stand Al Gore, it's his fault that he has made "Global Warming" a new political fear-mongering tactic. So big business can make new light-bulbs (how do new light-bulbs stop climate change anyways?), cars, and other crap they can over-charge you for. I just want to know which lobby got into his ear about all this non-sense.

[Thorgrim]

I'd like it if all the people who are so sure global warming doesn't need to be addressed right now registered their name with the government, and if then our planet suffers intensely because of causes that the ENTIRE scientific field (even former deniers) sees as a fact of global warming...they lose their right to vote

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by kombayn

I can't stand Al Gore, it's his fault that he has made "Global Warming" a new political fear-mongering tactic. So big business can make new light-bulbs (how do new light-bulbs stop climate change anyways?), cars, and other crap they can over-charge you for. I just want to know which lobby got into his ear about all this non-sense.

Going into convention Obama will have the delegate lead and the popular vote. If they decide to make all of this not count and hand the primary to a white environmental nutjob who didn't even campaign, there'd be fall-out.

Al Gore is a pipe dream that will never become a reality.

[kombayn]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'd like it if all the people who are so sure global warming doesn't need to be addressed right now registered their name with the government, and if then our planet suffers intensely because of causes that the ENTIRE scientific field (even former deniers) sees as a fact of global warming...they lose their right to vote

No problem. I'd do that in a heart-beat, because I don't think there is a problem. And if there is... Why do we need new light-bulbs?! New cars I get it. But energy solutions? Why can't you say, these new light-bulbs are great because we save energy.

Global Warming is the new scare tactic, saving the Earth is sexy, I don't blame anyone, I recycle. This is just the new Y2K, and other garbage they throw at you to get an agenda across. It has shit all with saving the planet, it's a way to make money.