Is it impossible to tell the truth without being considered racist?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

he may not have won 90% of the black vote, but he also may have won more of the white vote.

Bingo. I think Obama would be a very strong candidate if he were white.

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Bingo. I think Obama would be a very strong candidate if he were white.

he would have needed something to distinguish himself from the crowd. being black did that for him when the race began. if he was just another white guy then I'm not so sure he would have gotten the attention to clear the pack.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Ferraro was wrong in her assertion - his message resonates with people, if all his appeal was the black vote, he wouldn't be here. He has gotten quite a lot of independents, college graduate whites and was starting to get more white voters in general (which he wasn't getting before, hence his message appeal increased) until the Clinton surrogates started spouting about race.

Not quite David. You cannot convince me with sincerity that any number of those white voters are not very happy with the notion of voting for a black candidate as some PC breakthrough for the country. That is all she was suggesting. It does not deny he has real substance beyond race.

The problem is that some interpret what she said as meaning he is only popular because he is black, not because he is a competant leader and can do the job. That was not her intent at all as she has explained. He does have a broad appeal with large numbers of people on issues and personality, but being a black candidate on the left is part of that.

I don't have any big problem with it, nor think it is something Obama has control over. And I do think Hillary has tried as a candidate to be more explotive of the gender appeal than Obama on race.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Bingo. I think Obama would be a very strong candidate if he were white.

He would need to be young and very fresh however. If he were one of those older Dems who went after Hillary his style would never work.

Edwards comes across to self-absorbed and used car salesman.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

He would need to be young and very fresh however. If he were one of those older Dems who went after Hillary his style would never work.

Edwards comes across to self-absorbed and used car salesman.

Well, that and he was a shitty one term Senator.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Well, that and he was a shitty one term Senator.

Good thing Obama has transformed Illinois

[RMNIXON]

Looks like the Clinton Camp gave Ferraro the boot:

Dear Hillary –

I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

I won't let that happen.

Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

You have my deep admiration and respect.

Gerry


Ferraro steps down - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com


Not that all the blatant pandering to the womens vote will stop!

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

Wait, what?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Good thing Obama has transformed Illinois

I know, right?

[Rouger2]

A lot of the support for Hillary and Obama is because they are for getting the troops out of Iraq. A majority of americans want that. Obama voted against getting us into the war in the first place and that is saying something because he was almost the only one to do it. He stood up for his beliefs that is saying something, and that makes him stand out from the rest.

[Thorgrim]

He did not vote against UAMF, and both candidates did not call for Bush to invade Iraq when UAMF was in effect and the UN inspections were working...

It's a basic and well known detail...the only reason people gloss over it is because they hate Hillary

[northhunter]

I don't think that many people actually hate Mrs Clinton, they just don't think she'd make a good president.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by northhunter

I don't think that many people actually hate Mrs Clinton, they just don't think she'd make a good president.

You must have missed a lot of right wing media in the 90s, and 2000...and now check out 90% of left wing sites out there, including DailyKos

It's funny, most of the "independents" here are taking their talking points cut and paste from the diaries over at DailyKos...who normally would be calling out left-wing progressives

I think 100% of every diary comparing Hillary and Obama is agreed upon by the "indepedent thinkers" of this site

[northhunter]

My bad I guess. I of course know that many republicans say they do in fact hate her. I thought you were refering to democrat voters in the primary that were choosing Obama over Hillary.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by northhunter

My bad I guess. I of course know that many republicans say they do in fact hate her. I thought you were refering to democrat voters in the primary that were choosing Obama over Hillary.

oh yeah, check out dailykos.com....they hate her

(the objective people have taken a leave of the site...temporarily)

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by northhunter

My bad I guess. I of course know that many republicans say they do in fact hate her. I thought you were refering to democrat voters in the primary that were choosing Obama over Hillary.

I would not say that I hate Canckles?

I just want to give her the chance at another good cry.

At the Democrat Party Convention or in November, whatever works out.......

[David Octavius]

I'm independent and I don't want her to be President for reasons I've stated ad-nausea that you Thor are unable to refute so you keep attacking Obama.

1) She cannot reach across the aisle - many republicans hate her for mostly dumb reasons - but hate her nonetheless. Can't get anything major done in politics without the other party.

2) Part of her divisness is her own doing - and playing the victim as the Clinton's love to do, does not make friends on the other side.

3) Her emotional outbursts - angry one day, nice the next, is not what a good leader is made off, unless you like moody people?

[Thorgrim]

1) Republicans will or already do hate Obama, his negatives on Rasmussen have hit near 50%...aka basically as many republicans dislike him now as ever disliked Bill Clinton

The GOP will refuse to allow Obama's agenda to get through because if it worked he'd win a second term and they'd be in danger of losing their once safe seats of districts start re-alligning

If Obama is nominated, he will be looked at with disgust as John Kerry was...people still on this board, who never knew a damn thing about John Kerry in 2003, still REALLY dislike him to this day because the GOP smeared him, the same will happen to Obama

2) The GOP couldn't stand that their little republican revolution was blocked by the Clintons holding the white house for 8 years, you can't possibly expect a rationale person to be subjected to things like the Arkansas Project, and when they defend themselves call them "divisie"

3) Sexist comment, every candidate and president I can think of has done the same thing

[Stylerod]

This is sort of on topic as it involves racism and Obama. But has anyone seen all the stuff about how racist Obama's wife and his minister of 20 years are? Holy hell. I can't believe it doesn't get more airtime. But I'm guessing people are worried they will be called racist if they show how racist those two people are.

But you gotta wonder. Those two people have major roles in his life and have for a long time. And they both seem to really, really dislike white people. Some of that cynicism and anger must have rubbed off on him.

[Thorgrim]

Everyone is too busy, the "wacko-left" and "democrat haters" have allied themselves to flood the airwaves (and this board) with how racist Hillary is