Obama nails it again

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I just read that he wrote that himself. I'm sorry but this is like going from Cha-Cho the monkey boy to Albert Einstein in one election. Bush can barely string two words together.

No wonder you Republicans are scared. Keep attacking Obama, it'll be fun seeing you go down with the ship. The rest of us recognize the importance of this speech.

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The thing is...wright's comments will get a lot of press...his speech he made in March? eh not so much I bet

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Originally Posted by motivez

I thought it was a really nice speech, but like I feel after seeing many of them, they're very eloquent, but speak in very broad, vague, generalized, whatever use adjective you want, terms..

It's great that he can say all of it well, but I don't know how he plans to accomplish any of it. One of the lines in there kinda sums up how I feel about the Obamania that's swept the country..



There's nothing really different there, no politician tells us our kids can't learn, or that we shouldn't focus on them. They don't shy away from using our public school system as a means to prop up their candidacy.. In fact, it's quite the opposite. They always talk about it, the same way Obama talks about it, just not as eloquently.

Where's the substance here? Where's the specifics about any of it?

Sure it sounds great, but give me one specific plan you have on how to address any of the things you talked about in this marvelous speech.

I also have to agree he didn't run far enough away from this guy to help himself, I don't really think Wright was entirely wrong about some of what he said, even if I don't necessarily agree with the way he said it.. but who here really thinks the Republican's aren't going to be able to use this VERY effectively in the fall to turn people out?

I can see it now, "Barack Obama's spiritual advisor, friend of 30 years.. has this to say about our great country..." ... <cut scene to GOD DAMN AMERICA x309502930295023059> ... "Is this the kind of man you want close to the next President? Or do you want a war hero who was tortured in Vietnam to protect you from the Communists landing in New Jersey? John McCain, Verteran, America Lover, President." <this message was approved by random_527 organization>

Also note, this isn't some kind of praise for Hillary, nor am I saying she's a better, more substantive, experienced candidate.. so it'd be nice if we didn't have several people chime in right after me that Hillary is no better...

Since when do you get specific policy details in a presidential candidate's speech outlining their vision for the future? I understand your cynicism but it stems more from your contempt for the response Obama has generated than any real shortcoming on his part.

Politics is all about the visceral, and it was that way long before Obama came on the scene. Just because he does it better than anybody in a long time doesn't make his candidacy any less legitimate. Nobody wants to hear about the details. Remember all the bullshit we had to hear in the media about the "lockbox?" That crossed the line and it was about as dumbed-down as it gets policy-wise. It just doesn't play.

You need to start directing your fire at our shitty media that needs to handicap every single election as close to 50-50 as possible. Obama isn't the problem. The problem is that the media in this country is nothing more than an purveyor of constant controversy and faked indignation. When everybody thinks the media has it out for them politically you know there's a problem.

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The thing is...wright's comments will get a lot of press...his speech he made in March? eh not so much I bet

The media needs to be destroyed. I'm dead serious. We need to do publicly-funded fttp and treat it like a public works project. They you can do web-based broadcasting and just cut all this bullshit out. We are not being served by current broadcasters and it doesn't make any sense to let them hold us down any longer.

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The whole thing about people not understanding the success of Obama's candidacy is akin to understanding the stock market. At first glance it doesn't make a damn bit of sense. How the fuck can a stock be up 10% when they just had to recall half of their previous year's shipments and restate earnings for the past 5 years?

It's the same thing with Obama. It's totally irrational. But it doesn't have to be rational. The only thing that matters is the end result. All you can do is hop on and go along for the ride. If he's the one that can bring people together and pull us out of this media-fueled hyperpartisan 30 year nightmare then I'm all for it. Sometimes the big answers come from unexpected places.

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Originally Posted by bheld

I just read that he wrote that himself. I'm sorry but this is like going from Cha-Cho the monkey boy to Albert Einstein in one election. Bush can barely string two words together.

No wonder you Republicans are scared. Keep attacking Obama, it'll be fun seeing you go down with the ship. The rest of us recognize the importance of this speech.

It was a lot of nothing.

He is good with words, but the speech was a bunch of fluff as is most of what he seems to say.

It is a big bullseye, like it or not. This "epic speech" will mean nothing when his pastors sound bite comments are played over and over with Obamas name superimposed in commercials.

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Originally Posted by bheld

The media needs to be destroyed. I'm dead serious. We need to do publicly-funded fttp and treat it like a public works project. They you can do web-based broadcasting and just cut all this bullshit out. We are not being served by current broadcasters and it doesn't make any sense to let them hold us down any longer.

Oh how amusing is it when the media turns on "your guy" because blood is in the water

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Originally Posted by hsmith

It was a lot of nothing.

He is good with words, but the speech was a bunch of fluff as is most of what he seems to say.

It is a big bullseye, like it or not. This "epic speech" will mean nothing when his pastors sound bite comments are played over and over with Obamas name superimposed in commercials.

Link me to a better, more meaningful speech. You just don't get it. It's not even just about the content but the reaction it elicits. But I'd love to see your example of a truly great speech. Is it John McCain laying out his plan to be in Iraq for 1000 years? Reagan rubbing one out to the shining city on the hill? Let's see it.

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Originally Posted by bheld

Link me to a better, more meaningful speech. You just don't get it. It's not even just about the content but the reaction it elicits. But I'd love to see your example of a truly great speech. Is it John McCain laying out his plan to be in Iraq for 1000 years? Reagan rubbing one out to the shining city on the hill? Let's see it.

Oddly enough I wasn't claiming there was a better speech

All the pretty words in the world in 50 minute speeches don't muster up much against the RNC machine and "GOD DAMN AMERICA," like it or not.

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Originally Posted by hsmith

Oh how amusing is it when the media turns on "your guy" because blood is in the water

They never gave my first guy a shot, so my disdain for the media is nothing new.

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Originally Posted by hsmith

Oddly enough I wasn't claiming there was a better speech

All the pretty words in the world in 50 minute speeches don't muster up much against the RNC machine and "GOD DAMN AMERICA," like it or not.

So it was empty rhetoric but you can't think of a better speech? Wow, way to back off that one.

Your concern trolling aside, I think you're severely overestimating the power of the right wing smear machine in 2008. That's sort of why the Obama campaign is so big in the first place. People are sick of the politics you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by bheld

So it was empty rhetoric but you can't think of a better speech? Wow, way to back off that one.

Your concern trolling aside, I think you're severely overestimating the power of the right wing smear machine in 2008. That's sort of why the Obama campaign is so big in the first place. People are sick of the politics you're talking about.

Please, point to me where I claimed there was a better speech. I can claim it is empty rhetoric because that is what it comes off as. No substance. He tries to play anything that comes up as "not a big issue" and some things are. He has this " I can't get mad at anything " attitude and it gets old.

So I am trolling because I am pointing out the obvious? Oh, please. How juvenile. You might not think this is big, but the majority of middle america, ironically, doesn't like being called racist or evil. Nor does the "GOD DAMN AMERICA" resonate very well.

If you think this isn't a problem and thinks this speech mended all issues, you are just kidding yourself.

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Originally Posted by bheld

Since when do you get specific policy details in a presidential candidate's speech outlining their vision for the future? I understand your cynicism but it stems more from your.........

It's not contempt. And you've demonstrated at least 4 times in this thread that you have no idea where the cynicism comes from. This is not about republicans and democrats and left/right/lib/conservative. It has to do with a candidate that nobody knows.

Just because he does it better than anybody in a long time......

A long time? More like the last guy who was president. Clinton had this same kind of appeal but at least as governor he had accomplishments on his resume.

Obama isn't the problem. The problem is that the media in this country...............

......and it begins.

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Originally Posted by bheld

They never gave my first guy a shot, ......

Holy shit! I read "the problem is that the media" and "You just don't get it" in your post above and thought "damn, this is starting to sound like an RP thread."

Now I know why.

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Originally Posted by hsmith

Please, point to me where I claimed there was a better speech. I can claim it is empty rhetoric because that is what it comes off as. No substance. He tries to play anything that comes up as "not a big issue" and some things are. He has this " I can't get mad at anything " attitude and it gets old.

So I am trolling because I am pointing out the obvious? Oh, please. How juvenile. You might not think this is big, but the majority of middle america, ironically, doesn't like being called racist or evil. Nor does the "GOD DAMN AMERICA" resonate very well.

If you think this isn't a problem and thinks this speech mended all issues, you are just kidding yourself.

It's called "concern trolling." Look it up.

The right is doing all they can to pin Wright's comments as Obama's but the fact is that this is a piss poor attempt at swiftboating. They have nothing to go on which is why they have to start this attack now. Airing the whole Ferraro debacle didn't help so now they had to pull out their October surprise 7 months early. They're getting desperate and you can see it in their rhetoric. You can even see it in your posts. The "optimism" that something somehow will bring down the Obama campaign and the backward thinking that this is just another presidential race.

The rules are changing and you're being left behind.

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Originally Posted by 7960

It's not contempt. And you've demonstrated at least 4 times in this thread that you have no idea where the cynicism comes from. This is not about republicans and democrats and left/right/lib/conservative. It has to do with a candidate that nobody knows.

A long time? More like the last guy who was president. Clinton had this same kind of appeal but at least as governor he had accomplishments on his resume.

......and it begins.

Google it then! barackobama.com

What do you still need to know? Why are you holding him to a higher standard than the other candidates? McCain didn't have more than a paragraph on education on his website in January and you're saying Obama is light on the details? Get your head out.

You're having a bad day with mischaracterizing other people's posts.

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Originally Posted by 7960

Holy shit! I read "the problem is that the media" and "You just don't get it" in your post above and thought "damn, this is starting to sound like an RP thread."

Now I know why.

Another subpar analysis job. You're the one divorced from reality.

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Originally Posted by bheld

It's called "concern trolling." Look it up.

The right is doing all they can to pin Wright's comments as Obama's but the fact is that this is a piss poor attempt at swiftboating. They have nothing to go on which is why they have to start this attack now. Airing the whole Ferraro debacle didn't help so now they had to pull out their October surprise 7 months early. They're getting desperate and you can see it in their rhetoric. You can even see it in your posts. The "optimism" that something somehow will bring down the Obama campaign and the backward thinking that this is just another presidential race.

The rules are changing and you're being left behind.

Like I give a fuck about the Obama campaign's success or failure



There are three people running that are carbon copies of one another. I am not voting so golly, what the fuck do I care about.

If anything I have the objective view here

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Originally Posted by hsmith

Like I give a fuck about the Obama campaign



Pathetic.

And yet here you are. Take your ball and go home then. We'll be fine without your bits of regurgitated MSNBC/Fox News/CNN conventional wisdom.

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Originally Posted by bheld

You're having a bad day with mischaracterizing other people's posts.

I'd take that to heart and do something about it if it was true. But honestly, and I say this from the bottom of my heart, it looks like you went to the RPballsackrider.com website and copied/pasted/globalsearch&replace RP with obama and now you're tossing these gems in the mix

• I don't care what you think about his experience.
• If you don't think we'd be better off with this guy in charge you're bordering on legal blindness.
• The thing that people don't get is...
• No wonder you Republicans are scared. Keep attacking....
• The rest of us recognize...
• You need to start directing your fire at our shitty media ...
• The problem is that the media in this country...
• The media needs to be destroyed...
• The whole thing about people not understanding ...
• People are sick of the politics you're talking about...
• The rules are changing and you're being left behind...

This holier-than-thou "I know something you don't know" and "you just don't get it" shit got old with RP and it's getting old now. Imagine how obama's campaign is going to fare with people getting sick of it already and there's still what, eight months to go?