Originally Posted by hsmith Why would he donate the money to the republican party, the party which hates him that is just stupid on the face of it Kinda like this thread itself?...
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03-22-2008, 04:16 PM
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| Researcher Realist 
| Originally Posted by hsmith Kinda like this thread itself? 
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03-22-2008, 07:37 PM
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| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by hsmith It's conjecture that he has $5 million cash on hand that he isn't spending...it's conjecture that he's going to run just for his GOP seat again...it's conjecture that there are rules for transfering your presidential campaign money?
 I swear, he could use the money to buy a fleet of yachts for himself and you'd say "well by spending money he's stimulating the economy" | ||||
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03-22-2008, 07:50 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Having cash on hand doesn't mean he ripped anybody off. A lot of candidates are leaving with cash on hand. If Hillary drops out now like a lot of people think she should, she'd have a lot more than $5million left on hand. He was budgeting himself for the long haul and he failed to make it that far. That's not ripping someone off. Ripping people off implies stealing or malicious intent. Paul hasn't done any of this. And if you go to this website he is still active and using his money for the promotion of his ideology.
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03-22-2008, 07:53 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| He isn't done yet: Ron Paul keeps presidential run alive By Ledyard King, Gannett News Service WASHINGTON — Even though he won't be president, Ron Paul keeps running. The Republican congressman from Texas continues to raise money for his presidential campaign. He is planning to visit states that have yet to hold their primaries and is urging his small but devoted cadre of followers to hold rallies for the libertarian causes he espouses. "We must remember elections are short term efforts, revolutions are long-term projects," he said in a March 6 video posted on his campaign website. Paul acknowledges he can't be the Republican presidential nominee because Arizona Sen. John McCain has collected more than the necessary number of delegates to win the nomination. But he refuses to bow out, saying the campaign is about more than just him. Paul, who drew a fanatically loyal following by championing withdrawal from Iraq and an end to income taxes, conceded in his video posting he could not win the Republican presidential nomination. "Though victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to your hard work and enthusiasm,' he told supporters. "We must remember elections are short-term efforts, revolutions are long-term projects." Paul, who drew a fanatically loyal following by championing withdrawal from Iraq and an end to income taxes, and his supporters used the Internet effectively to power his candidacy. In January, the obstetrician raised $4.4 million to bring his fundraising total to $32.6 million — more than better-known candidates such as former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues. But financial success never translated into electoral victory. Hoping to attract voters who had felt disenfranchised by the GOP, Paul won no primaries or caucuses and only managed to snag a handful of primary delegates — far from the 1,191 needed for the nomination. In his home state of Texas, Paul ran a distant third behind McCain and Huckabee on March 4 — even in the counties hugging the Gulf Coast that make up his congressional district. The Libertarian Party's presidential nominee in 1988, Paul, 72, stood out as a true conservative in a once-crowded Republican field. The Texas Republican opposed the federal No Child Left Behind law, voted against the USA Patriot Act and railed against the Federal Reserve System. He is the only GOP candidate to call for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, saying they shouldn't have been there in the first place and their continued presence "is serving as a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda." He also advocates elimination of several federal agencies, including the departments of Education, Energy and Homeland Security, to curb government spending. "We should have minimal government designed to protect liberty and allow the people to lead their own lives," he writes on his website. As a "straight shooter" who wants to shrink federal authority, Paul appeals to a segment of America that opposes government intervention and traditionally has not voted, said Bruce Buchanan, a government professor at the University of Texas at Austin who studies presidential races. As a result, Paul became a vehicle for a larger movement that used the Internet to propel his candidacy. "He's a message politician," Buchanan said. "There's a pool of opinion out there that responds favorably to his message and they figured out a way to get together." | ||||
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03-22-2008, 07:55 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| I don't think Paul's supporters have a problem with him keeping that money for whatever legal purposes he could use them for tbh I doubt very seriously there's any kind of feeling of betrayal by his supporters.. so I don't really think he ripped them off Now, if he happens to give that cash to fund electing other Republicans who don't share his world view, I think then you'd be able to say they were ripped off.. thinking they were donating money to one cause, and having it go to something so vastly different The comparisons between that happening and Edwards, Obama, Clinton, etc.. are pretty ridiculous, they're all so similar in ideology that, (with the exception of people Hillary has managed to completely alienate) I don't think they'd really mind if it went to fund another Democratic candidate. | ||||
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03-22-2008, 09:57 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| I nominate this thread for Thread of the Year 2008! But seriously though, if anyone who donated to RP is mad about what he spent it on or that he'll keep it to spend it on other things that he finds important, they didn't quite understand what they were doing... they might even be stupid. The ONLY time I would complain is if he gave it to McCain or the Republican party in general. His results show two things: 1. He didn't spend enough money, and 2. the Republican Party simply does not care to be conservative anymore. I can complain about #1 insomuch that his campaign was poorly run, but that has nothing to do with the money I donated. I don't really care about #2 just because it's not really a surprise. If the Republican party was interested in remaining conservative, the Libertarian Party wouldn't exist. | ||||
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03-22-2008, 10:24 PM
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| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost I'm pretty sure if he died tommorow, it'd automatically go to McCain
So by letting it collect dust, he's doing absolutlely nothing positive with it, except letting inflation eat at it I like how you think it's such a wrong-headed thread, yet you damn well know the people who gave money, by and large, did not give it so it'd sit in a bank account while he did nothing but look back at a horrible campaign People gave to "get the message out" maybe you gave for some different, odd reason...but his refusal to push out the message is a betrayal of the trust they had in him...I can't believe I even have to explain this to you...did you follow the RP internet movement at all? Did any of them act like anything like this could possibly happen, even if he lost the GOP nomination? They thought he was a real fighter, and he promised to be a fighter... He set back any libertarian candidate 10-20 years...next time they start a donation drive people will just go "look what happened last time...we had probably the smartest libertarian we'll find, and he blew through the money on worthless expenses and then kept what we gave him and quit while he still had over $5 million...why the hell should we trust person x?" again, we both know that will happen Last edited by Thorgrim; 03-22-2008 at 10:29 PM. | ||||
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03-22-2008, 10:45 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez I (we) gave him a few thousand... so I can speak for one (2) of us: He
can do anything he wants with it - including buy himself a new car if he thinks he needs one. Give it to charity, keep it, I don't care cuz I trust the guy. I gave it to him cuz I figured he was going to need to pay for a buttload of recounts and court proceedings against those devoted to his defeat by questionable or illegal means. We can put it this way: I'm old... ancient even, and I've always been politically active (for an American) yet I've never contributed to any presidential campaign until Dr. Ron Paul came along. | ||||
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03-23-2008, 12:14 AM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Once again, vapid arguments.
RON PAUL COULD BUY ALL THE CHEESE BALLS ON EARTH, WHAT WOULD YOU SUPPORTERS THINK THEN The talk is he will use it to fund like minded politicians. But, arguing that with you would be like trying to convince the Pope that abortion is good. | ||||
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03-23-2008, 12:33 AM
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| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by hsmith The dead-lines have already passed for most elections, I don't know anyone remotely similiar to RP running for any seat in Congress
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03-23-2008, 02:12 AM
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| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| You got me, I meant a serious candidate...one running: In a district that isn't ridiculously gerrymandered and the incumbent isn't ultra-popular...you know where a non-Democrat could win...also make sure he/she will actually win the primary I've been following the House...there are only about 36 house seats that are vulnerable, needless to say I've never heard of any of these peopel, although I might recognize a district or two (NH-1), the person isn't expected to have a prayer in the primary, thus I haven't heard of them These guys made a webpage...I'm impressed... Otherwise, if we go outside that, you could get some buddies to write your name on a sheet of paper and you'd be a "serious contender for Congress" | ||||
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03-23-2008, 02:17 AM
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| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| One should also note: He did not setup a PAC in time to affect ANY primary He only has a few weeks to set up a PAC to affect ANY election However, if he gave the regular citizen donation of $2000 to all those people...22 people...that's only $44,000...even if he found 10 times as many people running (220) as libertarians/constitution/etc...10 TIMES...he'd still only be giving away $440,000... That would still leave him with over $5 million So what's his plan now chief? | ||||
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03-23-2008, 02:19 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim According to you Ron Paul wasn't a serious candidate and had no shot either. So what's the problem? Libertarians don't have much of a shot in most districts. Doesn't mean they should give up their cause. Nor does it in any way validate any post you have made in this thread.
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03-23-2008, 02:30 AM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market  Capitalist
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
Originally Posted by thorgrim
 Obviously, you don't know much about the races at all. | ||||
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03-23-2008, 03:54 AM
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| Researcher Realist
| Thorgrim, man, do you harbor some hatred of Paul or what? You're blinded by it. It consumes you. WTH? Didn't you get a bumper-sticker or T? Were you left out at some rally or something? When that other guy said you had an unnatural hatred I had no idea it was this bad. You should see a doctor - seriously. BTW, excellent work Lew! | ||||
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03-23-2008, 05:06 AM
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| Left Wing Hack  Democrat Hastings, NE
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I haven't seen RP donate any of his money to McCain or Jim Imahofe. Link?
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03-23-2008, 05:12 AM
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that is just stupid on the face of it 
