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Old 03-26-2008, 03:11 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
I think we should take a page from the UK and make candidates answer real questions from audience members about things

Even the "town halls" we have are a joke, only ardent supporters are let in, questioners are screened, and the candidates know what's coming

Compare that to this clip, which I've posted several times on this site:



Real, honest dialogue would benefit everyone except candidates who aren't able to answer tough questions.. and IMO those types of candidates aren't the type of people we need in office anyway.

I don't see any good reason that politicians should live such sheltered lives like they do in the US.. I can't imagine Bush going on a show like that, answering those questions from a hostile audience.

I think the hardest question that's been asked of a politician in the past 20 years was when Clinton was asked "Boxers or Briefs" on MTV.
 
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:25 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by TankRizzo View Post
I think the hardest question that's been asked of a politician in the past 20 years was when Clinton was asked "Boxers or Briefs" on MTV.
And what did Hillary answer?


Hehehehe...
 
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:20 AM   #23
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Look at this garbage.

The media should be ashamed of itself.

In the past two weeks, the following events transpired. A Department of Justice memo, authored by John Yoo, was released which authorized torture and presidential lawbreaking. It was revealed that the Bush administration declared the Fourth Amendment of the Bill of Rights to be inapplicable to "domestic military operations" within the U.S. The U.S. Attorney General appears to have fabricated a key event leading to the 9/11 attacks and made patently false statements about surveillance laws and related lawsuits. Barack Obama went bowling in Pennsylvania and had a low score.

Here are the number of times, according to NEXIS, that various topics have been mentioned in the media over the past thirty days:

"Yoo and torture" - 102


"Mukasey and 9/11" -- 73


"Yoo and Fourth Amendment" -- 16


"Obama and bowling" -- 1,043


"Obama and Wright" -- More than 3,000 (too many to be counted)


"Obama and patriotism" - 1,607


"Clinton and Lewinsky" -- 1,079

And as Eric Boehlert documents, even Iraq -- that little five-year U.S. occupation with no end in sight -- has been virtually written out of the media narrative in favor of mindless, stupid, vapid chatter of the type referenced above. "The Clintons are Rich!!!!" will undoubtedly soon be at the top of this heap within a matter of a day or two.
"Media critic" Howie Kurtz in the Washington Post today devoted pages of his column to Obama's bowling and eating habits and how that shows he's not a regular guy but an Arrogant Elitist, compiling an endless string of similar chatter about this from Karl Rove, Maureen Dowd, Walter Shapiro and Ann Althouse. Bloomberg's Margaret Carlson devoted her whole column this week to arguing that, along with Wright, Obama's bowling was his biggest mistake, a "real doozy."
Obama's bowling has provided almost a full week of programming on MSNBC. Gail Collins, in The New York Times, today observed that Obama went bowling "with disastrous consequences." And, as always, they take their personality-based fixations from the Right, who have been promoting the Obama is an Arrogant, Exotic, Elitist Freak narrative for some time. In a typically cliched and slimy article, Time's Joe Klein this week explored what the headline called Obama's "Patriotism Problem," where we learn that "this is a chronic disease among Democrats, who tend to talk more about what's wrong with America than what's right." He trotted it all out -- the bowling, the lapel pin, Obama's angry, America-hating wife, "his Islamic-sounding name."
Needless to say, these serious and accomplished political journalists are only focusing on these stupid and trivial matters because this is what the Regular Folk care about. They speak for the Regular People, and what the Regular People care about is not Iraq or the looming recession or health care or lobbyist control of our government or anything that would strain the brain of these reporters. What those nice little Regular Folk care about is whether Obama is Regular Folk just like them, whether he can bowl and wants to gorge himself with junk food.
Our nation's coddled, insulated journalist class reaches these conclusions about what Regular Folk think using the most self-referential, self-absorbed thought process imaginable. The proof that the Regular People are interested in these things is that . . . the journalists themselves chatter about it endlessly. In Great American Hypocrites, I described the process as follows in the context of examining the three-week-long media obsession with John Edwards' haircut (to the exclusion of a whole array of revelations about what the government was doing or planning to do) and how they justified that coverage:
Most certainly, the press will pretend to be above it all ("this is not something that we, the sophisticated political journalists, care about, of course"). But they yammer about Drudge-promoted gossip endlessly, and then insist that their own chattering is proof that it is an important story that people care about. And because they conclude that "people" (i.e., them) are concerned with the story, they keep chirping about it, which in turn fuels their belief that the story is important. It is an endless loop of self-referential narcissism -- whatever they endlessly sputter is what "the people" care about, and therefore they must keep harping on it, because their chatter is proof of its importance.
They don't need Drudge to rule their world any longer because they are Matt Drudge now. Every day, it becomes more difficult to blame George Bush, Dick Cheney and comrades for their seven years (and counting) of crimes, corruption and destruction of our political values. Think about it this way: if you were a high government official and watched as -- all in a couple of weeks time -- it is revealed, right out in the open, that you suspended the Fourth Amendment, authorized torture, proclaimed yourself empowered to break the law, and sent the nation's top law enforcement officer to lie blatantly about how and why the 9/11 attacks happened so that you could acquire still more unchecked spying power and get rid of lawsuits that would expose what you did, and the political press in this country basically ignored all of that and blathered on about Obama's bowling score and how he eats chocolate, wouldn't you also conclude that you could do anything you want, without limits, and know there will be no consequences? What would be the incentive to stop doing all of that?

UPDATE: One other point to note about all of this is that these fixations are as skewed as they are vapid. Barack Obama is an exotic elitist freak because he went to Harvard Law School and made $1 million from his book. Hillary Clinton can't possibly have any connection to the Regular Folk because her husband, who grew up dirt poor, became quite wealthy after being President. John Kerry was completely removed from the concerns of the Regular People because his second wife was rich.
By contrast, George W. Bush was a down-home, salt-of-the-earth Man of the People despite being the grandson of a U.S. Senator, the son of a President (who greatly magnified his riches in his post-presidency), and the by-product of an extremely wealthy, coddled life. Ronald Reagan was pure Americana despite spending most of his adult life as a very wealthy Hollywood actor (and converting his post-presidency into far greater riches still). And John McCain is as Regular a Guy as it gets, even though he dumped his first wife (the mother of his three children) after she was disfigured and disabled by a near-fatal car accident so that he could marry his much younger, much prettier, and extremely wealthy heiress-mistress, whose family riches then launched his political career and sustained a life of luxury for almost three decades (that's how "McCain's Sedona ranch" -- i.e., his compound -- came to be).
It would be bad enough if our political press were obsessed with such trivialities. The fact that they do so in such a Republican-leader-worshiping manner makes it only that much worse, particularly given that it's this dynamic, more than anything else, that determines the outcome of our elections.
 
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:38 PM   #24
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What I can't believe is out of all the latest presidential campaigns, Bush was obviously the most spoiled brat if you took 2 minutes to look into his background, but people actually bought that "common sense compassionate conservatism from a cowboy" BS

No one dare speak about how it was all an act, and still is...yet we had to hear about Al Gore wearing earth tones or John Kerry going windsurfing
 
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:13 PM   #25
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Well private companies own these TV networks, and that's how our system works. It sucks but it's better than any government controlled network, that'd be ten times worse. The best thing to do is go to these town hall meetings yourself that are not televised. Write about it, blog it, whatever, ask the hard questions, if they dismiss you... Then make a stink about it.

Going to Alternative News websites (not the crazy conspiracy theorist ones) and doing your own research is the only way to make it better. Inform your local community about things you disagree with and spread the message yourself. That's the only way to get things done. You can't blame the Main-stream Media for wanting to keep there jobs.
 
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:38 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Tessy View Post
Now it's just a joke. There is no news
any longer. Seriously, it's all gone. All you're getting is flavors of corporate
messaging bought and paid for - usually by their fascist corporate owners.
That is not true at all. While political bias and corporate protectionism can slant the news, it cannot control it in the way you suggest. A market place still exists and the public has interests that cannot be ignored. They can spin news, they can make some stories appear more important while they downplay others, but you cannot control news itself. The internet is actually a big help because it will spread stories that cause the networks to react.
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