Originally Posted by thewise1 Would it honor you, Thorgrim, if I used your picture to advance a libertarian point of view? If a sibling or I were to sign up with the military to help a liberal cause in a liberal way...say a special forces operation to help decimate genocidal ...
03-25-2008, 12:17 PM
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| Banned  Progressive Philadelphia, PA 
| Originally Posted by thewise1 If a sibling or I were to sign up with the military to help a liberal cause in a liberal way...say a special forces operation to help decimate genocidal gangs in Darfur
You, as libertarians, might then argue such intervention overseas is bad...just like Kosovo, blah blah Anyway, one of us gets killed, would I be upset if the LP started using it as a piece of art, not as something you could use and everyone would automatically know who everyone was No, I would not...the death was meaningful...someone exercising the 1st amendment in such a way does not even come close to taking down the meaning of such a death | ||||
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03-25-2008, 12:48 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim This is not being promoted as a piece of art. It came from the Huffington post. Its purpose is political propaganda and sensationalism. Calling it anything other than that is deceitful.
Nico Pitney: A Mosaic: 4,000 Americans Dead - Politics on The Huffington Post
__________________ No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair. Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid: As we look back in history, the Founding Fathers would be cringing to hear people talking about eliminating earmarks. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 02:07 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by thewise1 Actually he has a constitutionally protected right to do so.
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03-25-2008, 02:16 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by Scrum So someone can use your picture to promote a non-profit group/cause without your permission? What if they're promoting the loving, sensual nature of receiving anal from gay men and make you the poster boy.... they're not selling anything, they're not looking for donations. They just want everyone to know how wonderful it is and happened to come across (no pun intended) a picture of your face that had the exact expression they wanted so they used it on their posters and website.
You're ok with that? That's "constitutionally protected"? | ||||
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03-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 It is actually... HOWEVER, if you are damaged by what he does you can seek compensation in civil court.
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03-25-2008, 02:33 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death!  libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| you're lying to yourself if you really think this you would be pissed if your image was used without your authorization to promote libertarian ideals that you don't agree with | ||||
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03-25-2008, 02:35 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| I meant moral right. I'm not suggesting this should be illegal, I'm suggesting it's tacky as fuck. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 02:35 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
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03-25-2008, 02:38 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 hmm, I don't believe this is right.
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03-25-2008, 03:00 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by 7960 There are very very few things that are actually illegal to say.
Typically there would have to be damages. IE if someone said that Lou supports his company's biggest competitor! , And then used that in some sort of advertising campaign, I would be damaged and I could seek restitution. However is someone said that I loved president bush and it wasn't true... Well too bad for me. The solution is more speech. I should make it known that I don't like president bush. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 03:04 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by 7960 Lets come up with the wildest ideas we can to try and trick me into agreeing with you.
 No, that would not be protected. I would be able to sue for damages and unauthorized use of my likeness. As far as I know, these pictures of the soldiers are free for public use and even if they aren't, they can no longer be damaged since they are dead. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 03:06 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by thewise1 Sorry, I assumed you mean legal right rather than moral right.
Moral rights are too fluid to really debate. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 03:07 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Scrum You might not like it but it's the same scenario.
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03-25-2008, 03:08 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 That changes when you put someone's picture next to it.
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03-25-2008, 03:08 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum In that case you would have to prove that there were actual damages. It's very hard to do. Defamation is a virtually unwinnable case.
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03-25-2008, 03:09 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by 7960 They can't sue though......
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03-25-2008, 03:09 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 No doubt, but the option would be there.
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03-25-2008, 03:10 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by 7960 It really depends. Unless you are a celebrity who's endorsement or likeness is actually worth something, you won't win that case.
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03-25-2008, 03:12 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| And i'm not so sure these pictures don't fall into public domain since they were employed by the military. I have worked places where I had to sign my likeness away to the company, but that was certainly to protect them in case they used something for profit. | ||||
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03-25-2008, 03:13 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by Scrum Yeah you can always sue for anything you want, but my point was that there is no law against using these soldiers faces in this manner. Free speech is free speech and no one can stop you from doing it. The fact is that none of these soldiers is damaged by that picture. Just because maybe some family members might be offended isn't enough. I'm not saying that I like thier message or anything, I am just talking about the legal reality of the situation. It might be dishonest, it might be morally wrong, but as far as being speech that isn't protected? unfortunately not. Someone could take my picture from this website and use it in a political poster of some kind and I would have no legal recourse.
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