I've never seen this before, thought it was pretty good

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Phantom

the person probably has never lived anywhere besides a gated community or a college town/campus

quite the opposite, he was a hick.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

quite the opposite, he was a hick.

that makes more sense than my guesses

If you live in the middle of nowhere, of course expensive "city services" are going to seem like a waste if you don't benefit from them.

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

quite the opposite, he was a hick.

There are hicks at RIT?

[hsmith]

Private fire departments exist and work well.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Private fire departments exist and work well.

They do exist? How many are there? I would hazard a guess and say that there is like one, and it's in a very rich area.

[lew]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

They do exist? How many are there? I would hazard a guess and say that there is like one, and it's in a very rich area.

Of course they exist.


They existed long before tax-funded departments and still exist to this day.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

Of course they exist.


They existed long before tax-funded departments and still exist to this day.

Just like Leprechauns and Unicorns

[lew]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Just like Leprechauns and Unicorns

umm, sure

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

umm, sure

You actually think that a private fire company is a good idea? That poor people should burn while rich people get the best fire department that money can buy? Morally you have no problems with that?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by lew

Of course they exist.

They existed long before tax-funded departments and still exist to this day.

Examples in modern day society?

[lew]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

You actually think that a private fire company is a good idea? That poor people should burn while rich people get the best fire department that money can buy? Morally you have no problems with that?

You're confusing capitalism with something else.


Capitalism makes the lives of the poor better off, not worse off.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

You're confusing capitalism with something else.


Capitalism makes the lives of the poor better off, not worse off.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Look at all the people the international slave trade made better, then try and laugh

[lew]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Capitalism has made the lives of millions better. The poor and middle-class in capitalist societies today live like Kings of just a few hundred years ago, to great extent. And to some extent, live lives even better than Kings.


Air Conditioning, TV, Radio, Sodas, Vehicles, etc are all luxuries that the vast majority of non-rich Americans enjoy everyday thanks to capitalism and free enterprise.


Compare this to non-capitalist societies, where the few hold the riches and oppress the poor. Capitalism benefits everyone, and it certainly benefits the poor and middle class.


Indeed, capitalism helps the poor and middle to rise up the economic ladder and become rich, something no other economic system does to the degree that capitalism does it.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Look at all the people the international slave trade made better, then try and laugh

Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by lew

Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism.

hmm...im going to have to "disagree"

an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.


people both invested in slave ships, and owned them as they made money...

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

Capitalism has made the lives of millions better. The poor and middle-class in capitalist societies today live like Kings of just a few hundred years ago, to great extent. And to some extent, live lives even better than Kings.


Air Conditioning, TV, Radio, Sodas, Vehicles, etc are all luxuries that the vast majority of non-rich Americans enjoy everyday thanks to capitalism and free enterprise.


Compare this to non-capitalist societies, where the few hold the riches and oppress the poor. Capitalism benefits everyone, and it certainly benefits the poor and middle class.


Indeed, capitalism helps the poor and middle to rise up the economic ladder and become rich, something no other economic system does to the degree that capitalism does it.

But those who are poor get left to die. Quite literally. There is no way around it. In a system where resource allocation is achieved by ones ability to pay, those with the means get the best of whatever it is, and those without means get nothing. In many instances you are correct, capitalism does help, but this is not one of them. In matters of life and death I am not OK with letting monetary valuation determine who lives and who dies.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

hmm...im going to have to "disagree"

an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.


people both invested in slave ships, and owned them as they made money...

Disagree all you want, slavery is not something inherent within capitalism.

It's existed in multiple economic systems.

[lew]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

But those who are poor get left to die. Quite literally. There is no way around it. In a system where resource allocation is achieved by ones ability to pay, those with the means get the best of whatever it is, and those without means get nothing. In many instances you are correct, capitalism does help, but this is not one of them. In matters of life and death I am not OK with letting monetary valuation determine who lives and who dies.

Wrong again. Those are poor get left to work in a free society and work their way up the economic ladder or they rely on free charity.


And, amazingly enough, to liberals disdain, human charity is a much stronger and efficient force than government redistribution of wealth.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by lew

Disagree all you want, slavery is not something inherent within capitalism.

It's existed in multiple economic systems.

it is as much as anything else in capitalism's history