Doing research: I found this... U.S. Military wanted to Provoke War with Cuba!

kombayn · 04-07-2008, 09:28 AM

ABC News: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the...

I was going through Wikipedia like I do very often and I came across this article. I don't know about you guys, but when I read this... It seriously scared the crap out of me and you can't even find out about it until 40 years later.

thewise1 · 04-07-2008, 09:33 AM

Yes, we've all seen the beginning to Loose Change

kombayn · 04-07-2008, 09:38 AM

That made me chuckle. Never heard of Loose Change (only 9/11 "truth" movie I saw was Michael Moore's and that was 1 time). But I just read the article above and it came out in May of 2001. It's just strange, it didn't happen because office would not even do such a thing if you read into it and were embarrassed that the idea was even brought up. I think it's impossible to get innocent Americans to agree to attack there own people. But reading that and reading that Military officials would want to do something that CRAZY, it does scare me.

thewise1 · 04-07-2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by kombayn

That made me chuckle. Never heard of Loose Change (only 9/11 "truth" movie I saw was Michael Moore's and that was 1 time). But I just read the article above and it came out in May of 2001. It's just strange, it didn't happen because office would not even do such a thing if you read into it and were embarrassed that the idea was even brought up. I think it's impossible to get innocent Americans to agree to attack there own people. But reading that and reading that Military officials would want to do something that CRAZY, it does scare me.

I'm sure if you check google video you can see what I'm talking about

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were true. Keep in mind though, our government pays billions of dollars for people to think up plans for everything - taken out of context like this it could look pretty bad. But it's always nice to have a plan around for something if the shit hits the fan, although admittedly I don't see what good could come of this.

kombayn · 04-07-2008, 09:48 AM

Well they wanted to do this back when Castro was just made the new ruler of Cuba. U.S. Military wanted him out of power and that was an idea. The idea to attack U.S. citizens on the soil.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a "preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes" by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by the Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, to the Secretary of Defense to stage acts of simulated or real violence against U.S. interests and then put the blame of these acts on in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. It was part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. It was never accepted or executed.

It can all be found there. It just ... I don't know is completely dishonest.

Phantom · 04-07-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by kombayn

It can all be found there. It just ... I don't know is completely dishonest.

Dishonest like never hearing about a movie but knowing its subject matter? [loose change]

kombayn · 04-07-2008, 09:59 AM

^I looked it up on Wikipedia right after I read his post. You know that button new window or new tab under file, check it out sometime.

7960 · 04-07-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by kombayn

ABC News: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

I was going through Wikipedia like I do very often and I came across this article. I don't know about you guys, but when I read this... It seriously scared the crap out of me and you can't even find out about it until 40 years later.

the military has secret plans............. that's news?

motivez · 04-07-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

the military has secret plans............. that's news?

Secret plans that include murdering US citizens? I'd say so.

Phantom · 04-07-2008, 02:46 PM

It's a shame we can't go back to those friendlier times when the Kennedys were in power.

7960 · 04-07-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Secret plans that include murdering US citizens? I'd say so.

can you show me where northwoods plans include murdering US civilians?

i've seen plenty of people make the assumption that "blowing up a ship" equals "killing US civilians" but I've never seen anything that backs it up.

b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel ......... The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

Operation Northwoods: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba

I've seen where the plan was to blow stuff up but never to kill civilians. Maybe the plans did include that, I don't know. I'm saying I've never seen it.

motivez · 04-07-2008, 04:46 PM

I can't, it's not my story and I haven't done any reading on it, but if the plans included things like that I think it's news

7960 · 04-07-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

..... if the plans included things like that .....

things like what?