I love the portrayal of Hamilton in that John Adams series.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I will say one thing about the show, it has a good intro...that's about it though

I'm no biographer, but I think it tries to canonize him in certain scenes and then throw in the occasional character flaw to make the audience think they are not elevating him to such a level...I find myself bored with it and I'm a historian...how sad

They should make HBO miniseries on these deserving Americans:
George Washington
John Marshall
John Quincy Adams
Daniel Webster
Sam Houston
Abraham Lincoln
William Jennings Bryan

possibly an hour special on Fisher Ames

Oh, I noticed that Martin Luther King Jr. did not make your list.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I will say one thing about the show, it has a good intro...that's about it though

I'm no biographer, but I think it tries to canonize him in certain scenes and then throw in the occasional character flaw to make the audience think they are not elevating him to such a level...I find myself bored with it and I'm a historian...how sad

They should make HBO miniseries on these deserving Americans:
George Washington
John Marshall
John Quincy Adams
Daniel Webster
Sam Houston
Abraham Lincoln
William Jennings Bryan

possibly an hour special on Fisher Ames

John Jay

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

John Jay

I'm pissed, did you know he gave away Ontario/Quebec's southern portions...where almost all their GDP and population resides...because he wanted stronger fishing rights...

Canada couldn't viably exist without it...we'd have a much larger country today, and a bigger economy

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'm pissed, did you know he gave away Ontario/Quebec's southern portions...where almost all their GDP and population resides...because he wanted stronger fishing rights...

Canada couldn't viably exist without it...we'd have a much larger country today, and a bigger economy

Still, he was a great american...I am a little upset though that James Madison has not made an apparence in the series yet

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Still, he was a great american...I am a little upset though that James Madison has not made an apparence in the series yet

I hope they show the duel, and make an assumption of what happened...but you know what's going to happen

either he never gets mentioned again, or they just say "AB shot him in a duel, he's dead" and move on...now let's watch him lay in bed some more

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I hope they show the duel, and make an assumption of what happened...but you know what's going to happen

either he never gets mentioned again, or they just say "AB shot him in a duel, he's dead" and move on...now let's watch him lay in bed some more

Remember this series is from the perspective of Adams, he was not present at the dual so more than likely they will not show it

[T.R.]

I say Hamilton was a bit of an asshole yes but he was a lot smarter than Jefferson. Jefferson was a sniveling pro-French radical and if he ever got his way we would be like Germany was for the last 800 years you know a fragmented confederation. Hamilton isnt the best politician that ever exisited but he was one of the better ones. He may have thought he was better than everyone else well he did want what was best for this country and some consolidation of power was necessary early on to preserve the union. Hamilton was even a strong advocate of abolition while Jefferson said he hated slavery and then went ahead and paid workers in slaves which renovating Monticello to look more French.

Oh and speaking of deserving Americans for documentaries how come Theodore Roosevelt isnt on the list he was the first progressive president. William Jennings Bryan never actually accomplished anything but win a court case and then die a week or so later.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by T.R.

William Jennings Bryan never actually accomplished anything but win a court case and then die a week or so later.

haha...wow...at least check out wikipedia before you start making such severe judgements

[lew]

Originally Posted by T.R.

I say Hamilton was a bit of an asshole yes but he was a lot smarter than Jefferson. Jefferson was a sniveling pro-French radical and if he ever got his way we would be like Germany was for the last 800 years you know a fragmented confederation. Hamilton isnt the best politician that ever exisited but he was one of the better ones. He may have thought he was better than everyone else well he did want what was best for this country and some consolidation of power was necessary early on to preserve the union. Hamilton was even a strong advocate of abolition while Jefferson said he hated slavery and then went ahead and paid workers in slaves which renovating Monticello to look more French.

Oh and speaking of deserving Americans for documentaries how come Theodore Roosevelt isnt on the list he was the first progressive president. William Jennings Bryan never actually accomplished anything but win a court case and then die a week or so later.

Because Theodore Roosevelt is one of the worst Presidents we've had. He believed the Executive Branch could do anything it pleased. He was the first Imperial President.


oh and Jefferson > Hamilton.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by lew

Because Theodore Roosevelt is one of the worst Presidents we've had. He believed the Executive Branch could do anything it pleased. He was the first Imperial President.


oh and Jefferson > Hamilton.

[lew]

Originally Posted by hsmith

[T.R.]

No what T.R. believed was that the executive branch needed to get involved doy. Every president from Grant-Mckinley just sat back and let congress pass crappy laws that killed the consumers and workers. Also he realized before even Wilson did that you cant bust all the trusts. There were bad trusts and good trusts. A bad trust takes advantage of its position and also treats it workers like crap and a good trust uses its position as a way to hire more workers they charge the consumers fair prices and make good product or at least decent product and the working conditions dont suck!