I love the portrayal of Hamilton in that John Adams series.
Sneaky and conniving son of bitch....
Sneaky and conniving son of bitch....
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04-08-2008, 07:12 AM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator  Capitalist California 
| I love the portrayal of Hamilton in that John Adams series. Sneaky and conniving son of bitch. 
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04-08-2008, 09:18 AM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
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04-08-2008, 10:40 AM
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| Junkie libertarian
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04-08-2008, 10:54 AM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by hsmith Public Lice? 
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04-08-2008, 12:17 PM
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| Hamiltonian > Jeffersonian  Libertarian Party DFW
| Hamilton was far from conniving, he was simply excellent at working behind the scenes.  | ||||
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04-08-2008, 12:36 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| What did Adams mean when he said that Hamilton "intrigued" him in the first election? I know that Washington had a unanimous popular vote, but got only 60-something electoral votes while Adams had 30-something. Does Adams mean that Hamilton is the electoral voter that was pushing for him in the first election or something? How would anyone know that, or is that just Hollyweird drama? | ||||
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04-08-2008, 12:43 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| I think he meant he was the one going around behind the scenes working against him, encouraging people to hold their votes and vote for Washington so he wasn't embarrassed by a very close race? | ||||
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04-08-2008, 12:48 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by motivez Ah, that makes more sense. I was confused by that whole incident. Is that historically accurate? Or has that been added for Hollywood drama?
Also, why did the electoral college deviate so much from the popular vote in the first place? Was Washington unpopular amongst the elite? As far as I know, everyone loved the guy.  | ||||
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04-08-2008, 12:50 PM
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| Hamiltonian > Jeffersonian Libertarian Party DFW
| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby Hamilton did indeed want to make sure Washington won by an overwhelming majority of electoral votes. Through much of the revolutionary war he had served as Washington's personal aide, and he had a very fond attachment to Washington that was almost a father-son relationship at times (Hamilton hardly knew his own father, after all). He wanted nothing less than complete dominance for Washington in the first election.
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04-08-2008, 01:05 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Well that explains why Washington sided with Hamilton in regards to the Jay Treaty. | ||||
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04-08-2008, 01:17 PM
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| Hamiltonian > Jeffersonian Libertarian Party DFW
| On the same note as the thread title though, I also like how the series portrays Jefferson as becoming increasingly radical and dangerous. I'm an episode behind because I'm watching them with a friend that has HBO after the fact, but in part 4 when they were sitting in the garden in Paris...  | ||||
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04-08-2008, 01:26 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by Publius You will absolutely love part 5 when you see Hamilton.
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04-08-2008, 01:32 PM
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| Hamiltonian > Jeffersonian Libertarian Party DFW
| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby I know that the book the series is based on is written mostly from the perspective of Adams, and Adams had a deep personal hatred of Hamilton, so I've been absolutely expecting him to be treated poorly in the series. I would expect nothing less.
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04-08-2008, 02:00 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| Yeah, he's not portrayed as someone you're supposed to like / identify with in the latest episode. | ||||
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04-08-2008, 02:18 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| If Adams hated Hamilton so much, then why did Adams join Hamilton's Federalist Party? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Adams to run on a platform that advocated Washington's anti-party position? I'm not sure about its accuracy, but the show depicts Adams as being anti-parties anyway. Why did he join one? And why was it Hamilton's if that was his enemy? | ||||
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04-10-2008, 09:06 AM
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| Governments should fear their people  Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by Publius
Just like Hamilton had a hatred of all things anti-mercantilistic and anti-monarchistic. | ||||
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04-10-2008, 12:26 PM
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| Hamiltonian > Jeffersonian Libertarian Party DFW
| Originally Posted by lew trolling attempt denied, that's a baseless assertion.
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04-10-2008, 01:12 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by Publius wat?
Jefferson and Hamilton almost got into fisticuffs over that. Hamilton was most certainly mercantilistic. The whole reason he pushed for a bank to support his mercantilistic agenda.  Last edited by Dumpy Dooby; 04-10-2008 at 01:44 PM. | ||||
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04-10-2008, 06:22 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| I don't have any Movie Channels so I will probably end up waiting for the DVD. I am just starting the Tudors. A mixture of soft porn and good drama! 
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04-10-2008, 06:46 PM
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| Friend to all.  Socialist Maryland
| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby
Really? I only got that he was gay. | ||||
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