I am a liberal and proud of it. I hate guns and I hate hunters...not because they kill deer, but because they enjoy doing it so much. But also as a realist, I know that we can't protect ourselves if only the bad guys have guns. That leaves 2 choices... ...
04-09-2008, 01:33 PM
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| A liberal against gun control I am a liberal and proud of it. I hate guns and I hate hunters...not because they kill deer, but because they enjoy doing it so much. But also as a realist, I know that we can't protect ourselves if only the bad guys have guns. That leaves 2 choices... A. nobody has guns B. everyone has guns As much as I like choice "A", it is not possible. Anyone can get anything they want in this country i.e. "The war on drugs"  , "Prohibition"...you get the idea.That leaves choice "B". A level playing field. It takes more balls to break into someones home if you know he/she is packin. And besides brains, balls are the other thing most criminals lack. It just plain sucks. There will be more kids getting accidentally shot because some parents didn't lock up their firearms, and everyone will have to be trained to shoot. Hell of a way to live, but the sad truth is the police can't protect you. They can't do anything untill AFTER you have been robbed, raped, or killed.  | ||||
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04-09-2008, 01:42 PM
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| Originally Posted by Dispatcher Just a clarification. I don't enjoy killing deer, I enjoy eating them.
Kind of like that sign that says something like "this house protected by dobermans 4 days per week. you guess which days." It's basically the same thing as telling criminals "everyone in this neighborhood has the option to have a gun to protect himself. You guess which ones refused." | ||||
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04-09-2008, 01:49 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| I'd just like to point out that it typically takes about 5 minutes for police to respond to a 911 call (could be more or less depending on where you live). I know that if I were in an emergency life or death situation and my options were between a phone on the counter to make a 911 call with a 5 minute response time or a loaded weapon on the counter, I'd take the loaded weapon. I think until I have a magic button to press that makes the police immediately show up at my door that I should instead be allowed to own a firearm. I also feel it is protected constitutionally and I'd feel as if my rights were being violated if I were ever denied the ability to possess a firearm. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 01:51 PM
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| Liberals just don't know how to deal with this issue logically. Banning guns doesn't work, anyone with half a brain can grasp that concept. The Brady Group should be going after harsher punishments for criminals who use guns in violent acts. they should be pushing for judges to throw down harsher sentences and imposing them instead of trying to ban the law abiding from owning firearms. But they are totalitarian idiots, so I don't expect them to grasp this concept. I am all for throwing the book at people who use guns in crime. I want violent people behind bars. Saying I can't own a gun because a criminal might use a gun in a crime is fucking retarded. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 01:53 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by hsmith check your pee-pee at the door, you potential rapist
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04-09-2008, 01:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 We have already discussed that lone men aren't allowed to sit near children on flights on British Airways because they "could be child molesters" so that isn't that far off.
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04-09-2008, 02:20 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| I think you can't mix "gun control" with "banning guns" They are separate things. I have no problem with licensing and I think we should do more to make sure the wrong people aren't packing. Psyche tests, background checks, medical information, all of these things should be looked at before you are allowed to own. I know that won't eliminate problems, but at least we should do everything possible to make sure only responsible citizens have access to guns. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 02:24 PM
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| Originally Posted by Dispatcher
Congratulations... you are a REAL liberal (for liberty), as opposed to many on the "left" who believe that being liberal means ELIMINATING rights. BTW... I love to hunt. My least favorite part of the hunt is pulling the trigger. I let many shots go because I select only instant kills. I dont wound animals. Hunting is a very spiritual thing. It is the wellspring of religion and spirituality. To feed his family and continue the race, man must kill. Every sane many is DEEPLY moved to watch a life end- UP CLOSE.. last breath kind of stuff. If you get red stuff in shrink wrapped foam platters at the store, you cannot appreciate the death that gives you life. It is like stealing. The only way to EARN the meat is not by trading money, but being forced to be a part of the death process of a beautiful and sentient animal, and toil to deliver its pure flesh to your family. It is heartbreaking and deeply disturbing, but this death means life. Woman promotes life by nurture and care, man promotes life by bringing death. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 02:27 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum Why not make it like car licensing? I can choose to take a class when I'm (pick a younger age) where I'm taught proper (stuff) and then I get my license. Or I can opt to wait until (pick an older age) and just go to the gun licensing board and take a 20 question written test and take 5 minutes to demonstrate that I can shoot the gun. Why does anyone need "Psyche tests, background checks, medical information," and especially why "medical information"?
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04-09-2008, 03:00 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Drivers license and exams are not required to operate a motor vehicle on private property.
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04-09-2008, 03:04 PM
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| I don't see how saying people should have gun safes and store their guns safely is somehow evil gun control Or as mentioned "totalitarian" Many liberals own guns or would like to have the ABILITY to own one This is a straw man argument against liberal ideology | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:04 PM
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| Originally Posted by RockPusher <preface>
I do not agree with this argument! </preface> It would be easy to argue that it would be extremely difficult to leave your private property without knowing it in you car, but tilt a handgun a few degrees above level before firing and the bullet can end up miles from your property. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:15 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim You would if you woke up during a home invasion.
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04-09-2008, 03:18 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by 7960 To perhaps stop something like what happened at NIU. The shooter was unstable but had access to firearms through legal channels.
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04-09-2008, 03:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum The 2nd amendment gives the mentally unstable the right to guns
 It's pretty silly, why should someone be prevented from ordering twenty AR-15 for his group of friends, who like him have have mental disorders, have a medical condition that would make them unfit to even serve in Iraq, and have a background of pulling knives/assaulting people that didn't rise to the level of a felony My fucking christ some people are insane about how far "gun rights" go | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:26 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!
What part of that don't you liberals understand? Originally Posted by Thorgrim It seems to be all or nothing to many of them. I'm just calling for some common sense here.
You should hear the tidal wave coming here in Illinois. There have been demonstrations going on in Chicago calling for a ban for weeks. I would rather we just make it so people who can handle the responsibility of owning a firearm are the only ones with them, but I guess i'm just a far-left nutjob. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:39 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum And it could easily be said that if an armed student was in the classroom that the violence would have been stopped a lot sooner. But that doesn't conform to your political view.
Crazy people shouldn't have guns nor should violent criminals. Unless a licensed doctor says you shouldn't be near a firearm your rights should not be restricted. Just because someone was on Zoloft once or had a suicidal thought doesn't mean they are a danger. These blanket laws are EXTREMELY dangerous. | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:44 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum
Kazmierczak graduated from Northern Illinois University in 2006.[19] He had received the Dean's award from NIU in 2006 and was considered a stand-out, well-regarded student.[19] Campus police describe him as a "fairly normal" and "unstressed person."[25] Faculty, students, and staff "revered" him and there was no indication of any trouble.[26] NIU President John G. Peters said that he had "a very good academic record, no record of trouble."[20] Kazmierczak was Vice-President of the NIU chapter of the American Correctional Association (he had also written on the U.S. correctional system, specifically prisons).[27] In 2006, Kazmierczak, along with two other graduate students and under the lead authorship of a sociology professor, co-authored an academic paper entitled, "Self-injury in Correctional Settings: 'Pathology' of Prisons or of Prisoners?"; it was published in the academic journal Criminology & Public Policy.[28] He was enrolled at NIU in the spring of 2007,[19] where he took two courses in Arabic and a course called ""Politics of the Middle East". His research paper was on the subject of Hamas and its social service projects.[29] He left to begin graduate work in the School of Social Work at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where he intended to study mental health issues. He was enrolled part-time at UIUC during the fall of 2007 and worked from September 24 through October 9 at the Rockville Correctional Facility for Women near the Illinois-Indiana border. His reasons for leaving were unclear; he simply, "did not come back to work," according to Doug Garrison of the Indiana Department of Correction. By early 2008, he was again enrolled full time at UIUC.[21] he's a model citizen, but because he was taking prozac he should be banned from owning a gun? | ||||
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04-09-2008, 03:46 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Should a victim of domestic abuse be disallowed to own a firearm because they might be on depression medication?
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04-09-2008, 03:54 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by hsmith Wait, what? How does that not conform to what I posted?
I have said nothing about restricting responsible, law abiding citizens. | ||||
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