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[Donkey®]

Rape a child, pay with your life, Louisiana argues - CNN.com

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Rape a child, pay with your life, Louisiana argues

ANGOLA, Louisiana (CNN) -- He is not a killer, but the state of Louisiana is determined to execute Patrick Kennedy for his crime.


The New Orleans native faces that reality as he sits on death row at Louisiana's maximum security prison, the largest prison in the nation. The Louisiana State Penitentiary, or Angola Prison, is the size of Manhattan and surrounded on three sides by the Mississippi River.

Unlike the 3,300 inmates awaiting execution nationwide -- including the 94 other men at Angola -- Kennedy, 43, is a convicted rapist. The victim was his 8-year-old stepdaughter.

For the first time in 44 years, a state is preparing to execute a man for a felony other than murder. The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments Wednesday on whether Louisiana can use capital punishment in child rape cases.

The constitutional question before the justices is whether the death penalty for violent crimes other than homicide constitutes "cruel and unusual" punishment. The high-profile examination of the death penalty also raises anew a national debate over selective prosecution and race.

"A lot of people think there should not be the death penalty [in this case] because the child survives," said Kate Bartholomew, a sex crimes prosecutor in New Orleans. "In my opinion the rape of a child is more heinous and more hideous than a homicide."

Kennedy's appellate attorney, Billy Sothern, argues, "When we look at what it means to be cruel and unusual, this is exactly the kind of thing that raises these serious concerns of the constitutionality of Mr. Kennedy's death sentence."

Kennedy was sentenced to die in 2003 for sexually assaulting his stepdaughter in her bed. The crime occurred in a quiet neighborhood in Harvey, across the big river from New Orleans. Besides severe emotional trauma, Louisiana prosecutors said the attack caused internal injuries and bleeding to the child, requiring extensive surgery.

The former moving company driver had claimed two teenage boys committed the crime near the family's garage, a story the girl -- identified in court papers as "L.H." -- repeated for 18 months after the ordeal.

An African-American teenager was initially arrested, based on Kennedy's allegations, but later was cleared of any wrongdoing. Kennedy also is African-American.

Police in Jefferson Parish quickly turned their suspicions on him as the attacker.

The girl later accused her stepfather, after she returned home from a temporary stay in foster care. Kennedy has denied the charges, but the state supreme court upheld the conviction and punishment.

The U.S. Supreme Court, both in 1976 and a year later, banned capital punishment for rape -- and by implication any other crime except murder. But Louisiana 19 years later passed a law allowing execution for the sexual violation of a child under 12. State lawmakers contended the earlier high court cases pertained only to "adult women."

Death penalty opponents say Louisiana is the only state to actively pursue lethal injection for child rapists, and argue, among other things, that it could give attackers a reason to murder their victims.

"If they're going to face the death penalty for raping a child, why would they leave a living witness?" said Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation against Sexual Assaults.

Benitez also says testifying in a death penalty case can be deeply traumatic for child. And the risk of wrongful prosecution may be higher is such cases since children might prove to be unreliable witnesses for the prosecution, because of their susceptibility to suggestive, leading questions.

No one in the United States has been executed for rape since 1964. Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage. None of these crimes have been prosecuted as a capital offense in decades, if ever.

In the appeal filed with the high court, Sothern argues Louisiana "flouts the overwhelming national consensus that capital punishment is an inappropriate penalty for any kind of rape."

The law's supporters counter that besides murder, no crime is more deserving of the death penalty, and the punishment would be used only in the most heinous of circumstances.

For its victims, "It takes away their innocence, it takes away their childhood, it mutilates their spirit. It kills their soul. They're never the same after these things happen," said Bartholomew, an assistant district attorney in Orleans Parish.

"Louisiana has been a pro-death penalty state for a very long time," the prosecutor added. "And I think a lot of people agree with the death penalty for this type of case here in our state."

Five other states have similar laws. Four of them -- Florida, Montana, Oklahoma and South Carolina -- have had them for years but not applied them in decades. Texas enacted its version in June, but no defendant has yet been designated death-eligible for child rape in any state but Louisiana.

Skin color has also played a role in the political and legal debate over expanding capital crimes to include rape.

"When we look at the death penalty in the South we always need to be conscious of the role that race plays," said Sothern, deputy director at the Capital Appeals Project, which represents all the state's death row inmates. "And I think that the fact that Mr. Kennedy [is] a black from Jefferson Parish, a place with a troubling record of racial discrimination, I think that that speaks volumes."

Sothern cites Department of Justice statistics showing that all 14 rapists executed by Louisiana in the past 75 years were African-American. Nationwide from 1930 to 1964, nearly 90 percent of executed rapists were black, he said.

Kennedy recently was joined on Louisiana's death row by another child rapist -- Richard Davis, who is white. Davis' legal appeals have barely begun.

The justices will no doubt consider loneliness of Louisiana's aggressive position when deciding whether a national consensus now exists to allow a broader range of crimes to become subject to capital punishment. The high court has in recent years banned execution for the mentally retarded, underage killers and those receiving an inadequate defense at trial.

Angola prison officials would not make Kennedy available for comment.

The youngster at the center of the case is now in college and wants to be a lawyer. Her family says that like most underage victims, she has been scarred forever, and they believe her assailant deserves the jury's punishment.

"It's going to be justice," said Lynn Ray, the victim's cousin. "It's going to be that she can look forwards and not backwards, and not have to look over your shoulders, and one day see him. Or see him coming after her."

A ruling from the high court is expected by late June.

[Scrum]

I know my opinion wont be popular, but I don't really have a problem with executing child rapists.

[WickedLou9]

I think he should be locked in a cement box for the rest of his life, but I catagorically oppose the death penalty.

[Phantom]

I don't think there's any point in execution.

I don't forsee a single child rapist stopping himself because he might be executed rather than spend life in prison.

[Publius]

It's weird, I was actually having a discussion similar to this with Sheana last night when we were going to sleep. I think people who commit violent crimes against children should definitely receive a stiffer punishment than if they commit those same crimes against an adult. But I don't know about the death penalty.

[Thorgrim]

It's beyond ridiculous

There are psychological and medical studies that have shown some children who had sexual relations as a child (preteen) with an adult not only did not have any negative psychological damage later in life, but actually had a positive overall reaction to the situation

How can we possibly live in a just society where we'd be executing people who haven't actually psychologically/emotionally/whatever injured someone?

That's just american-legalized murder

[7960]

Originally Posted by Phantom

I don't think there's any point in execution.

I don't forsee a single child rapist stopping himself because he might be executed rather than spend life in prison.

It guarantees he won't ever do it again.

But I don't think our courts are infallible enough to have a death penalty.

[Donkey®]

Locking him in a cell and not letting him out also ensures he will never do it again.

[hsmith]

I think we should get rid of the death penalty, personally.

But I see nothing wrong with this, as long as we have it, at all.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Locking him in a cell and not letting him out also ensures he will never do it again.

Prisons: 22,000 prisoners could be set free early to save millions


If they're alive they can always be set free.

[JaJae]

This is horrible. And the article is crap. The size of the prison is first paragraph material. But the results of the victim only get one sentence in paragraph 8. I don't know if I agree with the death penalty for this, but I do think the states should have the right.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's beyond ridiculous

There are psychological and medical studies that have shown some children who had sexual relations as a child (preteen) with an adult not only did not have any negative psychological damage later in life, but actually had a positive overall reaction to the situation

How can we possibly live in a just society where we'd be executing people who haven't actually psychologically/emotionally/whatever injured someone?

That's just american-legalized murder

I'm sure this poor girl was thinking she enjoyed it like the studies from NAMBLA suggest as her insides were being thrusted into oblivion and while she was having her intensive surgery. Seriously, what the crap is this? For any psychologically sound human being, child or adult, a painful/forceful rape is not a pleasant experience... especially when you have an 8 year body.

I hope she can have children one day.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

Prisons: 22,000 prisoners could be set free early to save millions


If they're alive they can always be set free.

That has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the punishment.

[Ezra Smack]

The problem with housing this monster in a cell for the rest of his life is that the tax payers will have to foot the bill. I personally like the idea of death by slow torture, starting with genital mutilation for crimes this extreme. But that will never fly in a "civilized society" perhape he could receive community service? How about supervised release?

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There are psychological and medical studies that have shown some children who had sexual relations as a child (preteen) with an adult not only did not have any negative psychological damage later in life, but actually had a positive overall reaction to the situation

I'm sure some people find god after being shot in the face too. I don't think that mitigates the severity of the crime.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Phantom

I'm sure some people find god after being shot in the face too. I don't think that mitigates the severity of the crime.

You think anyone who has a non-lethal gun accident, where the victim doesn't want to press charges, should be killed by the state?

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You think anyone who has a non-lethal gun accident, where the victim doesn't want to press charges, should be killed by the state?

No, I think we should evaluate the punishment from the viewpoint of the criminal, not the victim.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You think anyone who has a non-lethal gun accident, where the victim doesn't want to press charges, should be killed by the state?

This wasn't an accident.

And yes, even if the victim doesn't want their perpetrator punished, it is the responsibility of the state to punish. That is why in criminal cases such as this the prosecutor is the state.

[Scrum]

If anyone violated my child like that, I would beat them to death with my own hands.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's beyond ridiculous

There are psychological and medical studies that have shown some children who had sexual relations as a child (preteen) with an adult not only did not have any negative psychological damage later in life, but actually had a positive overall reaction to the situation

How can we possibly live in a just society where we'd be executing people who haven't actually psychologically/emotionally/whatever injured someone?

That's just american-legalized murder

um, child rape or any type of sexual molestation is most DEFINITELY psychologically damaging. how in the hell could that EVER be positive??????? and considering it's a child, the likelihood of her sexual organs being intact and able to reproduce later in life is now in question. One could stretch it and say it was murder if she never able to conceive because of the rape.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's beyond ridiculous

There are psychological and medical studies that have shown some children who had sexual relations as a child (preteen) with an adult not only did not have any negative psychological damage later in life, but actually had a positive overall reaction to the situation

How can we possibly live in a just society where we'd be executing people who haven't actually psychologically/emotionally/whatever injured someone?

That's just american-legalized murder

Can you provide these studies for us?

I'd love to read a study that shows a raped child actually had a positive reaction out of it.