Parents Helpless?

[Martel]

The typical way to punish a child ten years ago, was to spank them until they learned their lesson. Up until about fifteen to twenty years ago, the teachers in schools could do this when a child was misbehaving. Then the teachers where no longer allowed to do this, only the principal could. Then even the principal was banned from this. Thereby putting all the punishment responsibilities onto the parent. Granted, some parents can handle this. But what is a single mother, with boys who are all bigger than her, to do? What ever happened to the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child." By trying to prevent crime the government took the ability to punish children properly from those who could help the parents discipline their child.

Steps should be taken now to reintegrate more severe punishment on children in schools, because a slap on the hand with detention, in-school-suspensions, and out-of-school-suspensions are not working. I say this from experience, every time I was given a detention, or a suspension, I wasn't thinking, maybe I shouldn't do what I did. I thought, well this is just a waste of my time.

Our current method for teaching kids what is right or wrong is not an effective way. Some kids do turn out okay, I mean look at me, I've never commited any really bad crimes, and I've never been in jail, or juvie. But then again, "You can give a monkey a gun, and eventually he will hit something." That doesn't mean we have to leave the gun there.

-Martel-

[thewise1]

I'll raise my own kid, thanks, the village people are idiots

[motivez]

I dunno, I wouldn't like the idea of another adult putting their hands on my child, so they'd definitely not be given permission by me to spank or otherwise institute corporal punishment..

I think there's other ways you can discipline a child without inflicting physical pain, and I think they work just fine

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I'll raise my own kid, thanks, the village people are idiots

[7960]

Originally Posted by Martel

What ever happened to the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child."

Screw the village. If one of them puts a hand on my kid then my hand will meet up with them.

Our current method for teaching kids what is right or wrong is not an effective way.

Please, continue to tell us how your parents failed. But don't assume every parent sucks like that. My kids are well behaved, well disciplined, polite and mannered............oh, and they've never been spanked, not even once.

[Rouger2]

I think your right about a woman raising kids having it very hard especially if the kids are bigger than she is. One parent families turn out more messed up kids than two parent families and once the kids get older it is very hard to turn them around. It is really hurting society the rise of one parent families not that some of them don't do the job but most don't especially the poor ones. We also have a more permissive society and that hurts. I think if schools did go back to spanking it would help make things better than they are now, and things do need to be better than they are now. Not that many families are not doing a great job of raising their kids even without spanking.

[Dispatcher]

Originally Posted by Martel

The typical way to punish a child ten years ago, was to spank them until they learned their lesson. Up until about fifteen to twenty years ago, the teachers in schools could do this when a child was misbehaving. Then the teachers where no longer allowed to do this, only the principal could. Then even the principal was banned from this. Thereby putting all the punishment responsibilities onto the parent. Granted, some parents can handle this. But what is a single mother, with boys who are all bigger than her, to do? What ever happened to the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child." By trying to prevent crime the government took the ability to punish children properly from those who could help the parents discipline their child.

Steps should be taken now to reintegrate more severe punishment on children in schools, because a slap on the hand with detention, in-school-suspensions, and out-of-school-suspensions are not working. I say this from experience, every time I was given a detention, or a suspension, I wasn't thinking, maybe I shouldn't do what I did. I thought, well this is just a waste of my time.
Our current method for teaching kids what is right or wrong is not an effective way. Some kids do turn out okay, I mean look at me, I've never commited any really bad crimes, and I've never been in jail, or juvie. But then again, "You can give a monkey a gun, and eventually he will hit something." That doesn't mean we have to leave the gun there.

-Martel-

There are other ways of punishing a child or teen that doesn't involve inflicting physical pain. You take away their car keys or their Xbox or their computer or whatever it is the child holds near and dear to their heart.
You make it clear that there is a price to be paid when they do something they should not do and you be consistent with them.
It's called "parenting 101", and just because you don't know how to do it or you don't want to do it doesn't mean the school should do it for you.
The school did not choose to have a child and become a parent...you did.
I do believe the schools should teach ethics, but parenting is your job.
If you don't know how to do it, get some help...read some books on parenting, ask other parents what works.
However, if your kids are already teens and you haven't been doing your job effectively, I can tell you that it's going to be an uphill battle. My parents waited until I was 17 years old before giving me any dicipline or responsibility....and by then it was almost too late. I rebeled and they didn't know how to handle it. As a result, I had a much harsher teacher than any parent could be....LIFE.

[Martel]

As I said before, not all children need to be disciplined with physical pain. A lot of children do learn their lessons by having their things that they "hold near and dear to their heart." Taken away. What do you almighty wisemen suggest to take away from a tyrant child, when you have already taken literally everything they own except for their clothes and their bed. And do you know what there is to show for it, NOTHING!!! Those of you who think it is cute to try to talk your children into obedience obviously have no clue what it is like to raise a little hellion. Just because your children are prim and perfect doesn't mean that every child out there is the same way. Now, I can understand your reluctance toward outright physical punishment in schools. Now let me rephrase the proposal. Get the parents who want help to sign a permission slip giving the school permission punish the child in a more effective fashion than asking nicely for them to stop. Asking a teenager to nicely stop is like me asking you to go drown yourself. Without a sure fire way to make you do it, you won't drown yourself. And if you don't want someone else touching your child then don't sign the permission form!

-Martel-

[7960]

Originally Posted by Martel

As I said before, not all children need to be disciplined with physical pain.

1. No, actually no children *need* to be disciplined with pain.

A lot of children do learn their lessons by having their things that they "hold near and dear to their heart." Taken away. What do you almighty wisemen suggest to take away from a tyrant child, when you have already taken literally everything they own except for their clothes and their bed. And do you know what there is to show for it, NOTHING!!! Those of you who think it is cute to try to talk your children into obedience obviously have no clue what it is like to raise a little hellion.

2. Exactly how do you think that "little hellion" got that way?

Just because your children are prim and perfect doesn't mean that every child out there is the same way.

3. Every child is how he is because of his upbringing.

Now, I can understand your reluctance toward outright physical punishment in schools. Now let me rephrase the proposal. Get the parents who want help to sign a permission slip giving the school permission punish the child in a more effective fashion than asking nicely for them to stop.

4. They already have a more effective method...removal from class, calling the parent (and if the parent is worth anything the problem should end there), detention, suspension.

Asking a teenager to nicely stop is like me asking you to go drown yourself. Without a sure fire way to make you do it, you won't drown yourself.

5. Asking everyone else to fix a problem the parent created is a sure fire way of having us realize...........someone sucks as a parent.

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

I think your right about a woman raising kids having it very hard especially if the kids are bigger than she is. One parent families turn out more messed up kids than two parent families and once the kids get older it is very hard to turn them around. It is really hurting society the rise of one parent families not that some of them don't do the job but most don't especially the poor ones. We also have a more permissive society and that hurts. I think if schools did go back to spanking it would help make things better than they are now, and things do need to be better than they are now. Not that many families are not doing a great job of raising their kids even without spanking.

Society is becoming "more permissive?"

Compared to society 50 years ago, I call that progress.

[kombayn]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I'll raise my own kid, thanks, the village people are idiots