For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse Martine Powers Staff Reporter Published Thursday, April 17, 2008 Art major Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement. Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated ...
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Yale senior 'induced abortions on herself' for art project
Wow. I don't even know really what to say about this other than it's seriously disturbing to me. Do you guys think Yale should prevent her from showing the project? I have to agree that by doing this she's somewhat trivializing the importance and impact many women have made to have an abortion, but I don't think she's abused her constitutional rights.. I really think all colleges and universities should be a place for the free exchange of ideas, art, etc.. but showing videos of miscarriages and draping blood splattered plastic all over for a senior project kinda seems like it's taking it a bit far. | ||||
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown ![]()
| um yeah. i dont know if its against the law or should be, but i definitely think it's morally wrong. creating a life with the sole purpose of destroying it is just... wow.
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| I saw this on the drudge list, and saw it intrigued me, but I was on the run and didn't click and forgot about it. I'm glad you posted it. I have to say this is very, very disturbing. I think Yale as a university does have the ability to prevent it from being displayed. I think they have to exhibit some discretion and they are well within their moral bounds to block this. There aren't many things I'd say they should/could block for an art exhibit, but this definitely falls under that category. Not only shouldn't they encourage this behavior, but they have to set some standards. To go to another extreme, what's to stop another stupid from chopping off his penis and asking to put it and the wound on display for art? If I were in charge of Yale I'd block this display and would probably make her see a shrink before allowing her to continue her education there. I don't think I'd cut her off completely, but I wouldn't allow her back the following semester unless she utilized the psychological facilities available to students for free on campus. And I agree this trivializes abortion. It's disgusting that someone would be so comfortable with the idea of abortion that they'd do it continually and purposely for reckless reasons. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by motivez
If I ran Yale, I would make sure that this 'grand work' is not displayed. Further, to ensure the reputation and integrity of the university, I would ensure that the faculty of the art department would vocally reject this project as vile filth lacking any artistic merit whatsoever. If the University does not step in on this matter, the standards set by its inaction will guarantee more shock filth and less art will be produced by Yale. Sickening.... | ||||
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA ![]()
| I'm at a loss for words. | ||||
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA ![]()
| I don't think she's abusing a constitutional right, except for the one that her offspring have to life, liberty, etc etc. But obviously, I don't expect an outpouring of support in that regard from most folks here. | ||||
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist ![]() ![]()
| yep. In the same day that I read a story about a guy (who did not live there) running into a burning building to warn a dozen people and probably saving a dozen lives, I read about this piece of shit getting pregnant just so she can abort it for a grade. I think it's bad karma to wish negative things of someone, but I really hope what she did ends up leaving her unable to have kids. | ||||
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist ![]()
| She should be executed. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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| I'm a bit confused, under Jewish Law, someone is not a full fledged "Jew"/"Person" until they turned 30 days old This was started because so many infants/miscarriages that the question of "how many sons have you had...how many died..." was pretty easy, you only counted the ones past 30 days old However practical this may be, the fact is that it became sacred, it became morality, it became tradition "Jewish law is quite clear in its statement that an embryo is not reckoned a viable living thing (in Hebrew, bar kayama) until thirty days after its birth. One is not allowed to observe the Laws of Mourning for an expelled fetus. As a matter of fact, these Laws are not applicable for a child who does not survive until his thirtieth day." That's why in the Bible itself: Exodus 21:22-23: "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury [i.e., to the mother], the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury [i.e., to the mother], you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot…" Says that the offender should not pay for causing a miscarriage, only for additional assaults (such as the bruise he caused on her face, etc...in an assault) Numbers 5
To get to the point: If a religion and moral code do not recognize a fetus as anything of any value, who are we to legislate morality to them? The question becomes, even though it is not illegal, should we change our laws to surpress someone else's religion and morality because it makes us feel uncomfortable? (Edit was to change 30 to 30 days old) Last edited by Thorgrim; 04-17-2008 at 02:20 PM. | ||||
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| did they tickle? I really dont know how I feel about this. I only think abortion should be used when necessary, not because you are bored. | ||||
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist ![]() ![]()
| there are plenty of things that are "wrong" but should not be illegal. what she did was wrong, but abortion should not be illegal. I don't believe in hell but I hope she does, and I hope she knows she's going. | ||||
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| I honestly think that this girl has some serious issues and needs counseling. It seems like the same sorta thing as people who cut themselves. | ||||
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| I think she's a psychopath...and the project is moronic...but I don't really care one way or another. | ||||
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown ![]()
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim this isn't religion it's "art". it still doesn't make it morally right.
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| Originally Posted by Linzyhop religion is morality...
Can you ever say anyone who is following their religion, whether it's orthodox judaism or theravada buddhism or whatever...is immoral? It used to me "immoral" to give a loan with interest, even a 10-year, huge loan, with 1% interest...many here would consider that a great gift...but it used to be an immoral act | ||||
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| Man thats wierd I was about to post this. Came back from lunch and a couple of the guys at work pulled up an article on this and were buzzing about it. This in my opinion is abuse of her constitutional rights. She's creating life and destroying it solely because she can. Assuming abortion is constitutional (and according to the supreme court it is) then it should be done for reasons to protect the mothers life (as the supreme court stated). This is pretty disturbing...should it be illegal? Yeah it probably should be, how do yo umake this illegal without destroying a mothers right to choose? Ehhh I dont honestly know...but I'm also shooting from the hip here based on my gut reaction to this pretty sick story. | ||||