Counterterrorism officials in FBI headquarters slowed an investigation into a possible conspirator in the 2005 London bombings by forcing a field agent to return documents acquired from a U.S. university. Why? Because the agent received the documents through a lawful subpoena, while headquarters wanted him to demand the records under ...
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| FBI delays investigation into London bombing conspirator to avoid judicial oversight
So, essentially the FBI purposely delays an investigation into someone who is a potential conspirator in the London bombings to use a national security letter which avoids judicial oversight and doesn't suffer the same 'probable cause' restrictions a normal subpoena / warrant does .. even though they didn't have the power And then use the fact that the delay happened (as a result of their own doing) to lobby Congress to increase their power.. ![]() I hope the Judiciary committees will actually do something useful, some people need to lose their job over this.. It's really amazing to me the lengths some are willing to go to avoid having to deal with the court system, whether it's this or Bush's warrantless wiretapping I'm also really amazed that most Americans seem not to care about this intrusion | ||||
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma ![]()
| There's some pretty scary aspects to this mess. I just wonder what congress is going to do about it if anything...
![]() If there's no restrictions on what the government can do with regard to conducting investigations we midaswell fold up shop and burn the constitution. | ||||
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| Sometimes I really debate bringing a child into this world. | ||||
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey ![]() ![]() ![]()
| This administration has gutted the "right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure". It's a meaningless right and you're right.. no one cares. We hold people without charges, we spy on people without warrants, it's crazy.... and don't count on the justices that Bush appointed to the court to do anything about this. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Yeah, but the question is why don't people care? I mean, this is such a fundamental right IMO.. when a government decides it's not necessary to have the judiciary make sure its request to invade the personal lives of its citizens is justifiable by the evidence, how can we still really call this a free country?
It's also very disturbing to me that they would have rather delayed the investigation into someone who could have potentially been planning another attack, risking who knows how many lives, for a power grab. How can they not lose their job over this? And yeah, another reason I'll be supporting the Democrat for President.. on issues like this, we can't afford another Alito on the bench, and it looks like the next President is likely going to get several appointments | ||||
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| Originally Posted by motivez Why are you blaming this type of thing on Alito? Has he even ruled on something like this yet?
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| I wasn't blaming this situation on Alito, but things like this (ie: privacy rights, torture, etc) can't be entrusted to people like him, or people that someone like McCain would appoint IMO. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| No, I mean Alito. Look back to his history when he was in the Reagan Administration for clues on how he's going to rule: Alito Urged Wiretap Immunity | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Originally Posted by Kytro I just don't understand how they don't see that this will lead to other measures that will affect them
There's the old poem by Martin Niemöller:
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| Originally Posted by motivez What you do unto the least of my children you do unto me.
it's amazing how many people claim to be christian but ignore so many of the central tennants of christ's teachings. | ||||
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia ![]()
| Originally Posted by motivez It does if you think about it properly, but many people do not, they react. They are scared, and a strong government makes them feel safe.
Part of the reason why the FBI did what it did was to keep people scared so they keep reacting and not thinking | ||||
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