So you still think government is there to help?

[Ezra Smack]

Government originally grew out of organized theft. For thousands of years humans subsisted as nomadic tribes of hunter/gatherers and wanderers, camping where food was plentiful. When the game animals were exhausted and the local vegetation was picked over they moved on. It was not until the advent of agriculture that people became tied to the land. As the practice of farming and animal husbandry developed, communities sprung up. People had learned to provide a living by working the land and raising livestock.

Rather than work, some people found it easier to organize into armed gangs and take what they wanted by force. These gangs of raiders learned that rather than wiping out a community and taking everything, it was easier just to show up after harvest time and take a portion of the crops in exchange for not killing everyone and burning the village. This worked so well and these roving armies developed a circuit of farms and villages that they would plunder periodically.

This new way of taking things proved so lucrative that other competing armies sprung up and the armies would often fight each other over territories. This was the beginning of organized warfare. The home bases of the more successful armies eventually became the great city-states like Troy, Athens and Rome that conquered the known world through force. Routine raids were replaced with tribute or taxes. This feudal system continued with kings and nobility lording over the peasantry until very recently in human history.

Early forms of democracy emerged in Greece and Rome became a republic in its early years but this did not extend beyond the city walls. Not until the American Revolution did the concept of individual liberty for the masses exist. For the first time in human history government was limited to protecting lives, liberty and property from both domestic and foreign threats. But not empowered to meddle in the other peaceable affairs of the people.

Now that mankind had had a taste of freedom, the feudal system all but disappeared in less than a century and a half, a mere blink of the eye in human history. So how do those who crave power over others operate in the post feudal world? Through politics, they promise various benefits in the name of helping “the people”. They exploit the baser human emotions of class envy, greed or misguided sense of justice for reparations for past wrongs to further the notion that government can somehow make everyone equal.

The socialism and communism that developed in the last century in the name of “the people” fostered some of the most brutal dictatorships in the history of the world. This tyranny of the masses has resulted in the murder of somewhere around one hundred million people. All with the best of intentions of making everyone equal. This system of government has demonstrability failed everywhere it has been tried yet Americans are still willing to give up their liberties in exchange for a little more “help” from Washington. Being that government really does not produce anything, this help only comes in the form of money that was taken by threat of force from their fellow citizens at the cost of an ever increasingly powerful centralized state.
All while thinking that government is really just there to help people.

[WickedLou9]

This is all nonsense.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

This is all nonsense.

Care to elaborate?

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

This is all nonsense.

I'd like to hear what you have to say...

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

This is all nonsense.

To say Athens and Troy evolved from armed gangs of theives...

America did not invent the "concept" of personal liberty for the masses, and in fact restricted it to a small minority upon taking power

this is like cut and paste from a 1950s civics book:

For the first time in human history government was limited to protecting lives, liberty and property from both domestic and foreign threats. But not empowered to meddle in the other peaceable affairs of the people.

The founding fathers, GW himself, declared martial law and squashed farmers trying to make a living without literally being taxed to death in the Whiskey uprising...those who were found, despite having killed no one, were sentenced to death by hanging

the feudal system disappeared because of the industrial revolution, not because of "freedom" the slums of london of the 1800s were just as much a prison as the feudal lands of london past

to say every government is trying to make everyone equal is overgeneralization to the extreme

lots of organizations have developed over the past hundred years or so, including corporations, that have led to the deaths of millions...how many people did socialist-leaning sweden and switzerland kill? As opposed to other great nations of the 20th century?

The government does not produce anything? Do I even need to crank out the list like I have several times of government benefits you enjoy from the moment you wake up until you go to sleep...but what has Bear Stearns done for your recently?

Why do me and Dos have to sit here and make up these lists, you two honestly looked through this post and thought "everything looks great"

I understand why Dos didn't give a bigger reply, I only gave a brief summary of how far this post is seemingly inaccurate and im exhausted and don't feel like expanding it to really make my point stronger

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Care to elaborate?

Not really. It doesn't really deserve an intelligent response. It's historically innacurate, based on false assumptions and comes to incorrect conclusions. I'm not really going to waste any more of my time on this anarchist garbage. Yea yea, government is evil. we all know that everyone would rather live in hunter gatherer societies free to do as we wish, hunting the land, blah blah blah.

[7960]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Not really. It doesn't really deserve an intelligent response. It's historically innacurate, based on false assumptions and comes to incorrect conclusions. I'm not really going to waste any more of my time on this anarchist garbage. Yea yea, government is evil. we all know that everyone would rather live in hunter gatherer societies free to do as we wish, hunting the land, blah blah blah.

I thought the original post was a joke at first because it looks so much like this.

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer more quickly. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals, and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can was invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed. Beer also helped cities grow much larger, since their inhibitions were lowered by beer and thus helping to populate the cities!

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer.
This was the beginning of what is now known as the Conservative movement.

Other men–who were weaker and less skilled at hunting–learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, hair dressing, and dancing around the fire. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. (Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.)

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with a slice of lime), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish, but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food is standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood , and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule in baseball because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies try to hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today’s lesson in world history. It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to get to them.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

I thought the original post was a joke at first because it looks so much like this.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by 7960

I thought the original post was a joke at first because it looks so much like this.

that's pretty funny, but not the same as the original post

[7960]

Originally Posted by thewise1

that's pretty funny, but not the same as the original post

Of course it's not the same. One starts with "Humans originally existed..." and the other starts with "Government originally grew..." They can't be the same, two of the first three words are different. But much of the message is the same. And the reasoning and logic....those are near identical.

I don't understand why, for some reason, people are going to think "cities exist because of beer" sounds silly, but they'll think "Rather than work, some people found it easier to organize into armed gangs and take what they wanted by force," doesn't.