Alex Jones Confronts Former "Drug Czar" Barry McCaffrey

[AmericanDrugWar]

Originally Posted by kombayn

There are tons of more people who would punch one of these conspiracy "theorists" in the mouth. Point blank.

Yeah, those people used to be called Nazi's. Wake up, this is America.

[kombayn]

Wait, you're calling the families, workers and others who don't agree with conspiracy theorists about 9/11 are Nazi's? Please clarify.

[7960]

Originally Posted by AmericanDrugWar

Seems disrespectful to me!

I'm being disrespectful of the families because I dont' agree with conspiracy theorists?

Is that what you just said?

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by AmericanDrugWar

"Was" bullshit? The War on Drugs is at its peak! We have the largest per capita prison population of any country in the world and a majority of them are non-violent drug offenders. Drugs, and fighting them, is big business. With our economy in it's current state, these issues are about as pressing as it gets. Watch American Drug War, there's a whole lot more to it!

You are correct, but that is because it is a product of our country. We are a wealthy nation. The smaller 3rd world countries have a murder problem because they lack basic necessities like water, food, and medicine. They don't have a drug problem because they are worried about when they can eat next. They can't afford to waste time and resources to catch a buzz. Afghanistan is a huge producer but not for personal use. They are trying to get money so they can eat because they have nothing else.

It's a symptom of more money more problems or in this case different problems. It is not some great conspiracy, though it is a waste of money and some are making tons of money.

You want to see a real sham, watch "Why we fight". The military industrial complex is far more expensive and far more influencial on policy than any drug war.

[DosEquis]

Here is a little more fuel for your fire. I just recieved this in email update from my congressman (republican).

This week I visited the Drug Enforcement Administration training facility in Quantico , Va. The training is specific to local law enforcement agencies, specifically those who respond to clandestine laboratories where meth is made at the local level. My experience was definitely and eye opening one. It is very apparent that the Bryne Justice Assistance Grants dollars I have fought so hard to secure are desperately needed to give police and fire experts the tools they need when raiding and securing a meth lab.



Unfortunately the Byrne JAG grants were cut by over two-thirds this year from $520 million to $170 million. Though most law enforcement matters are a state and local matter, drugs - especially meth - have an interstate nature that demands a federal response. Because drugs are manufactured in one state, moved across other states for final use in yet another, a coordinated federal effort to aide and assist local law enforcement is necessary. JAG funds support the entire criminal justice system; from investigation to arrest, case preparation to adjudication and offender release and treatment programs.



I along with dozens of other members of Congress have asked the House Leadership and Appropriations to include nearly $430 million in emergency funding for Byrne JAG so that total spending is about $600 million. Emergency supplemental spending is necessary because most of these programs can only continue operating into the early summer months at current funding levels. Once funding dries up most of these programs will cease to exist. This will leave our communities vulnerable to the presence and availability of illegal drugs.



This program is vital to fighting the war on drugs. I will continue to fight for this money that is so important for the safety of our first responders and for winning the fight against meth.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

This program is vital to fighting the war on drugs. I will continue to fight for this money that is so important for the safety of our first responders and for winning the fight against meth.

Ask him as an active voter to not bother fighting and take a vacation. You appreciate his valiant efforts to fight for the interests of the citizens of your district, but you believe the district would be better served if he simply left town and didn't get involved.

[7960]

I think the "legalize drugs" crowd is seriously deluded...I'm not sure if it's the effects of the drugs or if it's caused by whatever's missing in their brain to make the take drugs in the first place, but there's certainly some disconnect between them and reality.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by 7960

I think the "legalize drugs" crowd is seriously deluded...I'm not sure if it's the effects of the drugs or if it's caused by whatever's missing in their brain to make the take drugs in the first place, but there's certainly some disconnect between them and reality.

I think it's completely irrational to outlaw things that cause no public harm.

Nobody is harmed by the possession of drugs. And no, the threat that someone might harm themselves with the drugs is not a good argument, just like possession of guns doesn't harm anybody.

It seems to me it would make much more sense to simply punish the harmful offenses by drug users and dealers and spend the rest of the money on voluntary rehabilitation for users.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 7960

I think the "legalize drugs" crowd is seriously deluded...I'm not sure if it's the effects of the drugs or if it's caused by whatever's missing in their brain to make the take drugs in the first place, but there's certainly some disconnect between them and reality.

So how come the same logic doesn't apply to alcohol?

[DosEquis]

There is a line that I have a hard time establishing. If i could describe it in one sentence I would say that I am for the legalization of anything that is not easy to overdose on. Some will say "wuhl what about tylenol, its easy to OD on".

I know its easy to OD on tylenol, but its not the affects of tylenol that are the driving force behind the over dose. It is because the person OD'ing is being a selfish emo trying to off themselves. You can OD on alcohol but you really have to work at it, and most of the time your body goes in to throw up mode before its a major issue.

Meth, coke, heroin, crack, etc are all drugs with intense buzzes that are not only highly addictive but the desire to use more and more and more and more lead to over dose.

I don't think it is possible to OD on pot.

[motivez]

Well, using Tylenol isn't a great example. How about smoking? It leads to how many deaths each year because of cancer?

If we're going to worry about addition and overdose, why not ban cigarettes too?

Alcohol leads to deaths on the road, addition, liver disease, etc.. why not go for that too?

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

So how come the same logic doesn't apply to alcohol?

You're making my point for me.

When I said they're deluded what I was talking about what the druggies' claim that "most people think drugs should be legal." If *most* people think drugs should be legal, why can't druggies get anyone in a position of power to make small, incremental changes to the drug policy? Maybe they consider some of the law changes in california and oregon (I think?) to legalize medical MJ to be a step in that direction. I don't know. What I do know is if "most" people want it then they must be either too stupid or stoned to get some changes made.

And I said you're making my point because prohibition was repealed because it was overwhelmingly unpopular. Druggies say MJ laws are overwhelmingly unpopular..............why aren't changes happening?

[motivez]

I dunno, I think a lot of people feel like the laws against marijuana are silly, I rarely have talked to anyone about the issue online or irl who thinks they're a good law

But when it comes to speaking out against it, they're afraid of the labels that would be attached to them if they did, the implications for getting a job, etc..

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

I dunno, I think a lot of people feel like the laws against marijuana are silly, I rarely have talked to anyone about the issue online or irl who thinks they're a good law

But when it comes to speaking out against it, they're afraid of the labels that would be attached to them if they did, the implications for getting a job, etc..

gotcha...........so "everybody supports legalizing MJ" but nobody wants to stand up and say it in front of a crowd.

in my book that means there's no too much support for it.

[motivez]

I didn't say everybody

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

I didn't say everybody

they do.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by motivez

Well, using Tylenol isn't a great example. How about smoking? It leads to how many deaths each year because of cancer?

If we're going to worry about addition and overdose, why not ban cigarettes too?

Alcohol leads to deaths on the road, addition, liver disease, etc.. why not go for that too?

The major smoking health problems are from long term use and exposure. They are addicting because of the nicotine, but you can't smoke yourself to death. You do not hear of "Terry smoked 5 packs in a row and didn't make it".

There were around 42,000 traffic deaths and roughly 16,000 of them were considered alcohol related.

Things like meth, cocaine, heroin, and others are most certainly in a different league. The major health issues are realized much much faster, the addiction properties are to the point where you can over use the substance without realizing it until its past being too late. Some users recovering from meth have withdrawls for 10 years after the fact.

[AmericanDrugWar]

Originally Posted by 7960

gotcha...........so "everybody supports legalizing MJ" but nobody wants to stand up and say it in front of a crowd.

in my book that means there's no too much support for it.

There is a lot of support for it... there's also a lot of big money against it coming to politicians from the tobacco and liquor lobbies. It's all in the film.

There's still hope though. Barney Frank's putting up a bill for federal-level legalization of marijuana, we'll see what happens.

[7960]

Originally Posted by AmericanDrugWar

There is a lot of support for it... there's also a lot of big money against it coming to politicians from the tobacco and liquor lobbies. It's all in the film.

And where do politicians get their power? Tobacco and liquor lobbies exist because politicians can be swayed........if people who want MJ legalized vote that way then politicians will listen.