Polygamist children taken... - Page 3

7960 · 04-22-2008, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by A_C_E

I wouldn't care if anyone knew it (and you shouldn't either),

thanks for telling me what I should and shoudln't care about

A_C_E · 04-22-2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

thanks for telling me what I should and shoudln't care about

As I said, I have my opinions, but I will not legislate them when I know they are not shared by a consensus of people

I don't think that's such an outlandish statement. Nice pidgeonhole, by the way.

7960 · 04-22-2008, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by A_C_E

As I said, I have my opinions, but I will not legislate them when I know they are not shared by a consensus of people

I don't think that's such an outlandish statement. Nice pidgeonhole, by the way.

You're telling me that I shouldn't care about an erosion of my rights and that's not an outlandish statement?

And I don't think pigeonhole means what you think it means.

A_C_E · 04-22-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

You're telling me that I shouldn't care about an erosion of my rights and that's not an outlandish statement?

And I don't think pigeonhole means what you think it means.

I'm saying that it isn't a big deal and is not the same as wiretaps or warrantless searches. You obviously disagree. This is fine that we disagree.

What is not an outlandish statement is to say that "I will not legislate my personal opinions when I know a consensus of people do not share them." I wasn't saying that your opinions on DNA were outlandish, or that my saying you shoudn't care was NOT outlandish. It was simply in reference to my personal opinions.

kinggovernor · 04-22-2008, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

Would it be ok with you if the govt took DNA samples from every newborn and put it in a database?

no. The government doesn't fingerprint every newborn either.

7960 · 04-22-2008, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

no. The government doesn't fingerprint every newborn either.

I was asking him if he would be ok with taking DNA from every newborn for a national database.

I also wonder if he's ok with police having access to "find-a-child" fingerprint records and using them years after the kid has left school to solve crimes.

motivez · 04-22-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by A_C_E

I'm saying that it isn't a big deal and is not the same as wiretaps or warrantless searches. You obviously disagree. This is fine that we disagree.

It's not the same right you're advocating is acceptable for the government to violate, but you're using exactly the same logic and argument to justify it.

Pick one:

"It doesn't matter if the government keeps records of your [fingerprints and dna/communications] against your wishes and without a warrant, because those records will only help find [criminals/terrorists], so if you aren't a [criminal/terrorist], what do you have to worry about?

A_C_E · 04-22-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

It's not the same right you're advocating is acceptable for the government to violate, but you're using exactly the same logic and argument to justify it.

Pick one:

Again, no it is not. Communications can be used in many ways, above and beyond "finding terrorists." If I admit to killing someone while they're tapping my phone, you can bet they will try and find a way to use that info. Maybe (person X) admits to cheating on his taxes--they might try and use that too. Or maybe he just admits he's a transvestite and doesn't want the government to know that either.

DNA can be used for one thing and one thing only. This is what makes it a different scenario.