Israel 'ready to return Golan'

[motivez]

Israel 'ready to return Golan'




Returning the Golan Heights to Syria is not a popular concept in Israel

Israel has passed a message to Syria that it would withdraw from the Golan Heights in return for peace, according to a Syrian government minister.

The expatriates minister, Buthaina Shaaban, said the message had been passed on by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

She said Mr Erdogan had informed the Syrian President Bashar Assad of the offer by telephone on Tuesday morning.

The office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has declined to comment.

Israel and Syria remain technically at war although both sides have recently spoken of their desire for peace.

The Syrian government has insisted that peace talks can be resumed only on the basis of Israel returning the Golan Heights, which it seized in 1967.
Israeli authorities, for their part, have demanded that Syria abandon its support for Palestinian and Lebanese militant groups before any agreement.
The last peace talks between the two countries broke down in 2000.

'Friendly parties'

In an interview with Al-Jazeera television, Ms Shaaban said the offer had come from the Israeli prime minister.

"Olmert is ready for peace with Syria on the grounds of international conditions, on the grounds of the return of the Golan Heights in full to Syria," she said. The Syrian newspaper, al-Watan, carried similar news on its website on Wednesday.





Mr Erdogan is due to visit the Syrian capital, Damascus, this weekend to attend the opening of the first Syrian-Turkish economic forum.

Mr Olmert's office did not deny the Syrian reports, choosing only to state that they "refuse to comment on the matter".

In June 2007, Israel's deputy prime minister confirmed his government had sent secret messages to Syria about the possibility of resuming peace negotiations through third-parties, one of whom was widely believed to be Turkey.

The Syrian reports also came only days after the President Assad told the Central Committee of the Baath Party that "friendly parties were making efforts to organise contacts between Syria and Israel".

"Syria is in favour of a just and lasting peace. Syria rejects any secret negotiations or contacts with Israel. Any action taken by Syria in this area will be revealed to the public," he said on Sunday.

'Expectations'

On Thursday, Mr Olmert told Israel's Channel 10 television that he was interested in peace with Syria, and that both sides knew what the other wanted.

"Very clearly we want peace with the Syrians and we are taking all manner of actions to this end," he said. "President Bashar al-Assad knows precisely what our expectations are and we know his. I won't say more."



Mr Erdogan is due to visit the Syrian capital, Damascus, this weekend

The former US President, Jimmy Carter, who held talks with the Syrian leader recently has said he believes "about 85%" of the differences between Israel and Syria have already been resolved, including borders, water rights, the establishment of a security zone and on the presence of international forces.

"[Mr Assad said] the only major difference in starting good-faith talks was that Israel insisted that there will be no public acknowledgment that the talks were going on when Syria insisted that the talks would not be a secret," Mr Carter said earlier this week.

Mr Carter said it was now "just a matter of reconvening the talks and concluding an agreement" between the neighbouring countries.
The Syrian reports on Wednesday have sparked outrage in the Israeli parliament, however, where several MPs said they would seek to accelerate the passage of a bill requiring any withdrawal from the Golan to be dependent on a referendum.

"Olmert's readiness to withdraw from the Golan represents an unprecedented political and national abandon," Yuval Steinitz of Likud told the Haaretz newspaper.

Correspondents say returning the Golan to Syria is not a popular concept in Israel, and the details of a possible Israeli withdrawal have bedevilled past negotiations between the two countries.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel 'ready to return Golan'

So, is it possible Carter's visit to the region might actually lead to the resolution of peace between Israel and Syria, or is this just a coincidence?

Obviously the article talks about secret talks dating back to 2007, but could his recent visit have helped push things along? Despite the negative feelings some have about him here in the US (mostly conservatives, I think), I think opinions of him are still good abroad, and he has a history of working on issues like this.

Either way, I feel like this is a good idea. Israel has to also take some steps like this if it wants a lasting peace, seizing lands, while certainly a right of the victor after a war.. will not lead to a lasting peace or the cessation of hostilities when the other party feels you have something of theirs and is willing to continue to fight in whatever way they are able to in order to get it back.

There has to be compromise on BOTH sides, this looks like a fantastic step in the right direction.

[thewise1]

This won't bring peace, it'll just set up their enemies to attack them yet again.

Then they can take some more land

[motivez]

Originally Posted by thewise1

This won't bring peace, it'll just set up their enemies to attack them yet again.

Then they can take some more land

So you think they shouldn't give it back?

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by motivez

So you think they shouldn't give it back?

Well really why should they? It's thier land now. Syria attacked them back in the 6 days war, anything Isreal managed to capture is thiers as far as I am concerned. They should no more have to return that land than we should have to return the whole of the US to the Native Americans or Texas and California to Mexico.

With that being said, sometimes you need to do things that you shoudln't really have to to get what you want in the end. Maybe they have to give it back inorder to get something that they want in exchange.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by motivez

So you think they shouldn't give it back?

Will it do anything?

If it helps bring peace than yes, but will it? I doubt it

[Thorgrim]

So Egypt shouldn't have gotten back the much larger and more important Sinai peninsula?

This is basically the same deal, but it won't happen until Bush leaves office, the Syrians have been insulted by that GOP moron too many times to have his presidency be the one where some sort of peace talks start

Syrian would only attack Israel if Iran and Israel start a war because of mutual agreements

However, this peace treaty is different, it would settle 60+ years of an unresolved issues with Syria, it would be a huge win for both sides...as Syria is tired of the whole affair and Israel wants all it's neighbors to recognize it finally after all these decades

Even if a new conflict broke you, you can't "un-recognize" someone, at least no one would take you seriously, the biggest issues would have been resolved and the new conflict would not result in any real gains by Syria...also it's not like they even have anymore land they want...if any country would want more, it's Jordan, but they are one of the most moderate arab countries...

[thewise1]

I think they should keep it and respond to any further attacks by taking more land, balanced against the fact that they can't get stretched too thin...

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I think they should keep it and respond to any further attacks by taking more land, balanced against the fact that they can't get stretched too thin...

Well the exact opposite worked very well in Egypt (they were more anti-israel than Syria)...so I don't see why they'd think that way...