Al Sharpton wants to shut down NYC

[JaJae]

Sharpton is in the news again. This time he is threatening to shut down NYC over the Sean Bell verdict.

Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals

NEW YORK (AP) - Hundreds of angry people marched through Harlem on Saturday after the Rev. Al Sharpton promised to "close this city down" to protest the acquittals of three police detectives in the 50-shot barrage that killed a groom on his wedding day and wounded two friends.

"We strategically know how to stop the city so people stand still and realize that you do not have the right to shoot down unarmed, innocent civilians," Sharpton told an overflow crowd of several hundred people at his National Action Network office in the historically black Manhattan neighborhood. "This city is going to deal with the blood of Sean Bell."

Sharpton was joined by the family of 23-year-old Sean Bell - a black man - and a friend of Bell who was wounded in the 2006 shooting outside a Queens strip club. Two of the three officers charged were also black.

The rally at Sharpton's office was followed by a 20-block march down Malcolm X Boulevard and then across 125th Street, Harlem's main business thoroughfare, where some bystanders yelled out "Kill the police!"

Fifty of the marchers carried white placards bearing big black numbers for each of the police bullets fired at Bell and his friends.

Sharpton urged people to return for a meeting this coming week "to plan the day that we will close this city down" with the kind of "massive civil disobedience" once led by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

"They never accused Sean Bell of doing anything. Then why is he dead?" Sharpton asked, his voice roaring with anger. Authorities "have shown now that they will not hold police accountable. Well, guess what? If you won't, we will!"

"Shut it down! Shut it down!" the crowd chanted, standing up and applauding wildly.

I don't know exactly what he means by close the city. For those who may not recall the Sean Bell incident, this is essentially what happened to the best of my knowledge:

Undercover police officers were were at a strip club investigating possible prostitution when a man got into an argument with a woman. The man, Sean Bell, then told his friends to get his gun as they went out to their vehicle. An undercover plain clothed police detective followed them out to their vehicle and called for backup. They approached Bell in his vehicle, drew their weapons and ordered him out of the vehicle. Instead, Bell accelerated at the officers, hit an unmarked police van and attempted to escape. The officers opened fire at the vehicle.

There's conflicting reports as to whether or not the officers properly identified themselves. It seems as if they didn't. Sean Bell was killed. Not that it's entirely pertinent, but everyone in the vehicle had records for drug dealing, illegal weapons possessions, etc.

The media immediately bit on this story, police gunning down an unarmed man on his wedding day. Al Sharpton got involved immediately. He personally paid some of the witnesses prior to them giving conflicting views of the event.

It doesn't seem we'll ever find the full truth over what happened. There's talk of a possible fourth man in the vehicle who ran off with a possible weapon. A Janitor nearby claims he witnessed a black man running from the vehicle. Police didn't search for any suspects after the shooting.

The judge let the officers off because of all the conflicting witness testimony. Stories were changing, facts were wild and witness recollection was all over the charts.

In response, Al Sharpton wants to shut down NYC. I feel for the family, the wife to be and the children.

Also,I'd like to debunk something that's common in most of the media stories I've read on this. It is true that one officer fired 31 times. It is not true that he had to reload twice during the shooting. A lot of articles seem to keep this idea open ended. His clip holds 15 rounds and as with all NYC police officers they start every shift with one round in the chamber as is required and becomes habitual. That accounts for the 31 rounds. I haven't read any article point this little tidbit out.

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It doesn't seem we'll ever find the full truth over what happened.

The last thing on sharpton's mind is getting at the truth.

[IminWonderland]

I bet he'd still like to be President too.

Let them protest. Let them do it, I think it would be great publicity for racial inequality that is still in our culture.

But, it won't bring Sean Bell back.

[wanna be drummer]

Al Shaprtons an idiot.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

He personally paid some of the witnesses prior to them giving conflicting views of the event.

I hadn't read that.

Where did you see this?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I hadn't read that.

Where did you see this?

Here's one link..

Sharpton also addressed the controversial payments his group has made to witnesses and victims in the Sean Bell shooting, comparing them to the assistance police unions give cops.

"How can [the Detectives Endowment Association] support the detectives and I can't support the victims?" Sharpton asked.

DEA President Michael Palladino asked, "What witnesses before the grand jury are being paid by National Action Network?" and wondered whether it influences their testimony

"The DEA certainly has supported our detectives during their time on suspension. That's what the union is supposed to do," he said.

The Detectives Endowment Association has vocally defended the three police officers indicted in connection to the fatal shooting of Sean Bell and his two friends in the parking lot of a Queens strip club last November 25.

It has questioned the propriety of Sharpton's group of paying witnesses to the shooting.

REV. AL IN TAX DEAL - New York Post

[kinggovernor]

I think this is borderline illegal conduct, he is basically inducing a riot.

[kombayn]

Well if prostitution was legal, the man would've never died. I hate Al Sharpton, I think he's one of the biggest racists on the planet. I wish he would fall off the face of the Earth. But, in the end, this should be an issue of "Why are undercover cops tracking down prostitution?" it's a waste of tax-payers money and it's a victimless crime.

[7960]

Originally Posted by kombayn

Well if prostitution was legal...........

didn't feel like typing it again

Originally Posted by me

I love this kind of "the ENTIRE SYSTEM is fucked up so the guy who broke the law shouldn't have to pay" mentality.
Welsey Snipes = pwned. 3 years in federal pound me in the ass prison

Originally Posted by me

Yeah, I read your post. It ranks right up there with "I got a ticket, COPS ARE PIGS!" and "a friend was busted for underage drinking, WE NEED TO REPEAL THE DRINKING LAWS!" It gets a little aggravating when someone breaks such a common law and the reply is "THROW OUT THE SYSTEM!"

If that's not what you meant then please forgive me for skipping past the paragraphs of details you put behind your post and just taking a guess at what you meant.
Welsey Snipes = pwned. 3 years in federal pound me in the ass prison

[kombayn]

What's wrong with a man paying a woman in consent for sex? Please tell me how that really affects you or me? Are they really creating a ton of crime in the city? No... Making it illegal and allowing thugs such as pimps go to these girls, take more than half they make by doing this job for protection and pretty much owning these woman is the best solution? Give me a break, I want you to give me an example how prostitution affects your life 7960, because I know it doesn't. And if it does... What are you doing for a living then?

NOTE: And second... If prostitution was legal before this situation, it is TRUE and FACT! That they wouldn't have gone after this man or whoever they were after (Probably a pimp) and shot at him & his friends more than 30 times. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with everyone? Why is prostitution such a big issue in this country? They don't even have sex with each-other in public!

[7960]

Originally Posted by kombayn

What's wrong with a........

What's wrong with a man going 139mph on the highway?
What's wrong with a man carrying a loaded gun into a court room?
What's wrong with a student carrying a loaded gun into a school?
What's wrong with a man building a bomb?
What's wrong with a man parking within 50' of a street corner?


Please tell me how any of those affect you or me.

NOTE: And second... If prostitution was legal before this situation, it is TRUE and FACT!

And if manslaughter was legal there wouldn't have been a trial. And if speeding was legal I wouldn't have gotten a ticket.



No matter what they were investigating the club for, it is TRUE and FACT that Bell would be alive if he didn't say "get my gun" and then try to run down some cops.

[kombayn]

That's funny, none of the cops found a GUN! (If you actually read the entire article) You don't think one of them may have misheard what the suspects said? I know a lot of words could sound or rhyme with gun. I don't hate cops, they do the best job they possibly can, but them unloading that many bullets at the suspects is wrong. What if you were in their shoes? I think you would sing a different tune.

And to answer your questions here, "smart-guy"...

What's wrong with a man going 139mph on the highway? If I'm driving on that freeway, that affects me in a big way!

What's wrong with a man carrying a loaded gun into a court room? First off, you can't even get into a court-room with one, so that voids the question and second, its a public establishment so maybe I have to go to court that day when a knuckle head would bring in a gun. So yeah, that can affect me.

What's wrong with a student carrying a loaded gun into a school? I could be a student of that school which is another public establishment (even if it's a private school the public still goes there) so that does affect me.

What's wrong with a man building a bomb? Ask the people in Iraq.

What's wrong with a man parking within 50' of a street corner? Maybe he has to go to the bathroom really bad... Seriously, what kind of question are you asking?

Anyways, let me go back to MY thoughtful question here... HOW DOES PROSTITUTION AFFECT YOUR LIFE, 7960? You can't answer the question, so please tell me what you're trying to argue here... Because I don't get it and your questions you asked are pretty absurd. What a man and a woman who are in consent do in a place of private property is their business. Not yours, if cash is exchanged, who are you to say, "THAT'S WRONG. I DON'T APPROVE!" It's not your business, so STFU! Simple as that.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by kombayn

What's wrong with a man paying a woman in consent for sex? Please tell me how that really affects you or me? Are they really creating a ton of crime in the city? No... Making it illegal and allowing thugs such as pimps go to these girls, take more than half they make by doing this job for protection and pretty much owning these woman is the best solution? Give me a break, I want you to give me an example how prostitution affects your life 7960, because I know it doesn't. And if it does... What are you doing for a living then?

NOTE: And second... If prostitution was legal before this situation, it is TRUE and FACT! That they wouldn't have gone after this man or whoever they were after (Probably a pimp) and shot at him & his friends more than 30 times. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with everyone? Why is prostitution such a big issue in this country? They don't even have sex with each-other in public!

Prostitution is a breeding ground for STDs. The STD problem here would probably skyrocket is prostitution was legal.


What happened to the good ole days of going to the bar to get sex?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I think this is borderline illegal conduct, he is basically inducing a riot.

Organizing a rally or massive civil disobedience?

As long as he's not telling them to damage property, etc.. I don't think it could really be compared to a riot.

[kombayn]

Alright, touche. But if it was legal, you would have legal establishments such as the Bunny Ranch in Las Vegas, NV who would make sure that their employees wouldn't have STDs and I'm sure the majority who use prostitution as a service to bust a nut would go to that said establishment. I agree, go to the bar and have sex, but you'd be surprised how many ugly, no self-confidence, unhappy husbands, GOVERNORS... use prostitution to get their nut off. I understand your argument but if it was a legal practice (which they use "Escort" as the term to cover it up), they probably wouldn't have those kind of problems.

P.S. I don't recommend any man who uses prostitution to get off, pick up a girl off the street because those "crack-heads" probably do have an STD (and a pimp).

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by motivez

Organizing a rally or massive civil disobedience?

As long as he's not telling them to damage property, etc.. I don't think it could really be compared to a riot.

not a rally per se but when he says we are going to shut the city down with civil disobedience, that is calling for a riot. It will get violent and he has publicly called for it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by kombayn

That's funny, none of the cops found a GUN! (If you actually read the entire article) You don't think one of them may have misheard what the suspects said? I know a lot of words could sound or rhyme with gun. I don't hate cops, they do the best job they possibly can, but them unloading that many bullets at the suspects is wrong. What if you were in their shoes? I think you would sing a different tune.

A witness also said there was a 4th guy who disappeared.....did he have the gun?

And to answer your questions here, "smart-guy"...

What's wrong with a man going 139mph on the highway? If I'm driving on that freeway, that affects me in a big way!

*if* ........what *if* you're not? For some reason you don't mind that the right is limited...whatever. But it doesn't affect you one bit.

What's wrong with a man carrying a loaded gun into a court room? First off, you can't even get into a court-room with one, so that voids the question and second, its a public establishment so maybe I have to go to court that day when a knuckle head would bring in a gun. So yeah, that can affect me.

No. Someone walking in a courtroom with a loaded gun doesn't affect you at all. For some reason you don't mind that the right is limited...whatever. But it doesn't affect you one bit.

What's wrong with a student carrying a loaded gun into a school? I could be a student of that school which is another public establishment (even if it's a private school the public still goes there) so that does affect me.

Again, no. But for some reason you don't mind that the right is limited...whatever. But it doesn't affect you one bit.

What's wrong with a man building a bomb? Ask the people in Iraq.

For some reason you don't mind that the right is limited...whatever. But it doesn't affect you one bit.


I'm tired of that. The answer is none of them affect you but for some reason you don't have a problem with those laws and you do have a problem with the prostitution laws. So I'll go down your little "what if" scenario road. What if the prostitute I just rented is your girlfriend and I have HIV? That would affect you, wouldn't it?

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Organizing a rally or massive civil disobedience?

As long as he's not telling them to damage property, etc.. I don't think it could really be compared to a riot.

if he's saying he's going to "shut down the city" by flooding the streets with people then he's organizing a riot, even if no property is damaged.

[7960]

Originally Posted by kombayn

Alright, touche. But if it was legal, you would have legal establishments such as the Bunny Ranch in Las Vegas, NV ......

Are you saying vegas and/or nevada doesn't have a prostitution problem because there are legal brothels? Have you ever been there?