SCOTUS says states can demand ID to vote

[JaJae]

Supreme Court says states can demand photo ID for voting

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 22 minutes ago

States can require voters to produce photo identification, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, upholding a Republican-inspired law that Democrats say will keep some poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots.

Twenty-five states require some form of ID, and the court's 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana's strict voter ID law could encourage others to adopt their own measures. Oklahoma legislators said the decision should help them get a version approved.

The ruling means the ID requirement will be in effect for next week's presidential primary in Indiana, where a significant number of new voters are expected to turn out for the Democratic contest between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

The results could say something about the effect of the law, either because a large number of voters will lack identification and be forced to cast provisional ballots or because the number turns out to be small.

Supporters of the law say it's all about preventing fraud.

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I really think the reason the Democrats opposed this law was because they are the beneficiaries of most voter fraud. Regardless of everyone's reasoning, this is a good law. States should require people to provide identification in order to vote. There's no reason someone should be able to show up, give a name and pull down a lever. There needs to be some oversight. I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled the way they did.

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by JaJae

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I really think the reason the Democrats opposed this law was because they are the beneficiaries of most voter fraud. Regardless of everyone's reasoning, this is a good law. States should require people to provide identification in order to vote. There's no reason someone should be able to show up, give a name and pull down a lever. There needs to be some oversight. I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled the way they did.

It's both voter fraud and the fact that the Dems pull in the poor and very poor vote, not all of whom have driver's licenses or state IDs

[JaJae]

If ID is required to vote, the state should provide free IDs to people below a certain income level, IMO.

[Stylerod]

Good.

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by JaJae

If ID is required to vote, the state should provide free IDs to people below a certain income level, IMO.

I agree.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by A_C_E

It's both voter fraud and the fact that the Dems pull in the poor and very poor vote, not all of whom have driver's licenses or state IDs

There wasn't one example of voter fraud in Indiana history...not one

Here is exactly what is going to happen, hard-working Americans are going to get up in the morning to vote, right before a shift that doesn't end until the polls close...wait in line 30 minutes, and then told their ID is too faded/out of date/whatever, and they are going to storm out angry and not vote

you have a right to vote...what's next, I have to show my national ID biochip before I give a speech? Have to show my ID before I go on church grounds?

Thankfully, Democratic Governors are in place in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Colorado, and New Mexico...where this race will be won or lost

But, I'm sure Florida will pass something, and there goes any chance of a Democrat winning that...good luck on getting Latino-American citizens who work 2 jobs but barely speaks english to jump through all those hoops when he has just a few minutes to spare on election day

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There wasn't one example of voter fraud in Indiana history...not one

Here is exactly what is going to happen, hard-working Americans are going to get up in the morning to vote, right before a shift that doesn't end until the polls close...wait in line 30 minutes, and then told their ID is too faded/out of date/whatever, and they are going to storm out angry and not vote

you have a right to vote...what's next, I have to show my national ID biochip before I give a speech? Have to show my ID before I go on church grounds?

Thankfully, Democratic Governors are in place in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Colorado, and New Mexico...where this race will be won or lost

But, I'm sure Florida will pass something, and there goes any chance of a Democrat winning that...good luck on getting Latino-American citizens who work 2 jobs but barely speaks english to jump through all those hoops when he has just a few minutes to spare on election day

Democrats are not responsible enough to have an ID? Shit, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Here is exactly what is going to happen, hard-working Americans are going to get up in the morning to vote, right before a shift that doesn't end until the polls close...wait in line 30 minutes, and then told their ID is too faded/out of date/whatever, and they are going to storm out angry and not vote

I highly doubt that is going to happen. All it says is that you have to present photo ID. I seriously doubt anyone with an ID is going to be "turned away." And if they are, there will be a class-action lawsuit which will get the result of the primary thrown out. Stop overreacting.

And you can't possibly disagree that the Dems have benefited more from voter fraud in the past than the Republicans--that's classic machine politics at its finest, and the Union Democrats perfected machine politics.

[A_C_E]

And, Thorgrim, did you even READ the article???

Twenty-five states require some form of ID, and the court's 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana's strict voter ID law could encourage others to adopt their own measures.

Indiana ALREADY HAD A LAW where you had to show ID before you could vote. Nothing changed in that particular state. No one is going to be stopped from voting who wouldn't already have been stopped from voting. Nothing is different.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Democrats are not responsible enough to have an ID? Shit, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote

haha, yeah let's take away as many constitutional rights to American citizens as we can

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Democrats are not responsible enough to have an ID? Shit, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote

You do realize that you need a consistent home address to get a government ID, right?

Migrant farmers/working poor/very poor, etc. don't have consistent home addresses, and so can't get government-issue ID cards. Yet. They're not "stupid enough" to not have IDs, they're poor enough to not have IDs. There is a difference, much as you hardcore conservatives would like to believe to the contrary.

If we're going to require ID to vote, as discussed earlier, the government should provide every citizen with a free ID, whether they have a consistent home address or not.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There wasn't one example of voter fraud in Indiana history...not one

that is because you weren't allowed to ask.

[motivez]

I think the Democrats opposed it because they benefit from the voters who'll be disenfranchised by this decision, just like the Republicans pushed for it because by disenfranchising poor, often minority people who traditionally vote for Democrats, they're more likely to win elections.

[kinggovernor]

If you are unable or unwilling to present photo ID on Election Day, you may cast a provisional ballot. Upon casting a provisional ballot, you have until noon 10 days after the election to follow up with the County Election Board and either provide photo ID or affirm one of the law's exemptions applies to you.

Also, if you qualify to vote absentee-by-mail or absentee-by-traveling board, and you chose to vote as such, you are not required to present photo ID.
Indiana Secretary of State :: Todd Rokita

Obtaining a Photo ID
If you do not possess an ID that is acceptable for voting purposes, Public Law 109-2005 requires the BMV to issue an Indiana State ID Card free.


Indiana Secretary of State :: Todd Rokita

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by A_C_E

You do realize that you need a consistent home address to get a government ID, right?

Migrant farmers/working poor/very poor, etc. don't have consistent home addresses, and so can't get government-issue ID cards. Yet. They're not "stupid enough" to not have IDs, they're poor enough to not have IDs. There is a difference, much as you hardcore conservatives would like to believe to the contrary.

If we're going to require ID to vote, as discussed earlier, the government should provide every citizen with a free ID, whether they have a consistent home address or not.

you have to prove residency, so some migrant workers would not be able to vote because they are not legal residents of Indiana.

To prove residency:
Any document from the list of Primary Documents or Secondary Documents may be used as proof of Indiana residency along with the following documents, as long as the document contains the applicant's name and residential address. For the purpose of this policy, a Post Office Box is not an acceptable residential address.

Child support check stub from Indiana Family and Social Services Administration with name and address of the applicant
Bill or benefit statement within 60 days of issuance
Indiana driver license, identification card or permit with photo
Indiana surveyor report
Indiana residency affidavit
Voter registration card
Valid Indiana vehicle or watercraft title or registration

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by A_C_E

And, Thorgrim, did you even READ the article???

Indiana ALREADY HAD A LAW where you had to show ID before you could vote. Nothing changed in that particular state. No one is going to be stopped from voting who wouldn't already have been stopped from voting. Nothing is different.

Hey Ace, did you bother to read ANYTHING about your 25 other states?

I don't know what states you think are so similiar to Indiana...but I don't see them...only 5 other states want photo IDs, and guess what they accept? (look at Florida)

Employee badge or identification
Buyer's club identification
Debit or credit card
Military identification
Student identification
Retirement center identification
Neighborhood association ID
Entertainment identification
Public assistance identification

INSTEAD OF A PHOTO ID...and get this, if just sign a piece of paper saying you are who you say you are...you get to vote anyway...now you don't get to pull any lever but have to fill out a form, and then you have to run to court in 10 days or your vote won't be counted

No other state is like Indiana, they were the most ruthless state

How about common sense? Other states allow alternative ID, you really think someone is going to fake a Visa just to get one vote for Obama...you think someone who isn't who they say they are will know the voter's birth date, where they live, other harmless information only the voters would know but is not compromising or dangerous to give out one on one with the Judge of Elections?

It's really sad I bet a ton of people on here think that the sick and elderly, who haven't driven in years...readily have a photo ID with them if they go out somewhere...or the poor who ride/walk to work everyday and never even thought about purchasing a car or were forbidden to think about growing up, or any religious influence...would bother to get a driver's license...or any other photo ID

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by motivez

I think the Democrats opposed it because they benefit from the voters who'll be disenfranchised by this decision, just like the Republicans pushed for it because by disenfranchising poor, often minority people who traditionally vote for Democrats, they're more likely to win elections.

you need photo id to conduct regular business in this country, both in government and private industry. It is not unreasonable to check to make sure that the person voting is the person that they say they are.

Fraud is to easy otherwise. Lets say I have another male family member or friend that I know their address and district. They call me and say they won't be able to vote and ask me if I can, so I just sign their name for them. There needs to be some accountability.

[A_C_E]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

If you are unable or unwilling to present photo ID on Election Day, you may cast a provisional ballot. Upon casting a provisional ballot, you have until noon 10 days after the election to follow up with the County Election Board and either provide photo ID or affirm one of the law's exemptions applies to you.

Also, if you qualify to vote absentee-by-mail or absentee-by-traveling board, and you chose to vote as such, you are not required to present photo ID.
Indiana Secretary of State :: Todd Rokita

Obtaining a Photo ID
If you do not possess an ID that is acceptable for voting purposes, Public Law 109-2005 requires the BMV to issue an Indiana State ID Card free.


Indiana Secretary of State :: Todd Rokita

I really don't understand why anyone would be complaining about this.

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I really think the reason the Democrats opposed this law was because they are the beneficiaries of most voter fraud.

yep...that's why Massachusetts is at the front of the fight to prevent ID to vote.

States should require people to provide identification in order to vote. There's no reason someone should be able to show up, give a name and pull down a lever. There needs to be some oversight. I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled the way they did.

Exactly.