Originally Posted by Thorgrim Well get ready to hear about it louder than ever for the rest of your days on this earth if Obama loses It'll throw this countries race relations back 40 years Hell, might as well reply again. Who loses if this happens? And whose fault ...
04-29-2008, 08:02 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC 
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim 
Hell, might as well reply again. Who loses if this happens? And whose fault is it if Democrats make his loss a race issue? Hell, I think you are racist because you were so in favor of Hillary at the beginning before jumping on the Obama bandwagon. I mean, you were against him because he was black. It's the only logical thing. They are pretty much identical politically and he is much more likable then Hillary. So it has to be his color. Shame on you. | ||||
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04-29-2008, 08:23 PM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod So best case scenario, you and your kids will have to deal with tens of millions of Americans who protest loud and clear that they can't get anywhere in America because there is a glass ceiling and anyone of color who tries to rocket up gets shot down by a prejudice created by a white-dominated culture
That's best case, there's also the possibility your family will believe it and you'll have to deal with them | ||||
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04-29-2008, 08:25 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That's your own racist opinion and it is that attitude alone which keeps black americans down. They absolutely can succeed in this country, in fact, they are afforded more opportunities than their poor white counterparts. Immigrants come to this country with nothing more than the shirts on their backs and they get jobs, start their own businesses and do ok for themselves.
You say that whites on this board don't realize what they're doing, that's not nearly as sad as the democratic party FULLY REALIZING what they are doing by intentionally keeping them complacent with welfare programs in exchange for votes. They feed into, and coddle the victim complex within the black community. It's self destructive and counter productive. When the republican party rallies agaisnt wasteful welfare programs, they don't wish to hurt the black community or anyone on welfare, they want them to stand up on their and work to better themselves. I realize welfare programs are in fact helpful to people and a necessary safety net to keep people from hitting rock bottom and losing everything, but it does need to be streamlined to culture independance rather than dependancy. It was the NAACP that gave Reverend Wright his platform to throw rocks at Obama and the people in the audience CHEERED, and you're trying to blame ME for tearing obama down? You act like he's the only chance they're ever going to get which is preposterous. The fact is, Obama has not been fully honest with america about who he is. He bought into his own hype and he thought he could smooth everything over with his silver tongue. Well, he was wrong and has been paying the consequences for it ever since. He acted like he transcended politics and was a uniter. Then this Wright stuff came out that was in stark contrast to the squaky clean image he had been cultivating. He first denied (lied) about knowing how inflammatory Wright was. Then he gave his big speech about race relations in america where he said he wanted to have an open dialog about it and he hasn't said one word about race since. He also said he can no more denouce Wright than he can the black community. Well, we see how deep his convictions are. He didn't denounce Wright when he was saying things like "God Damn America", "U.S. of KKK", and "they created AIDS", etc. and so forth. No, no, no....none of that outraged Obama, but the second Wright comes out and says Obama is doing what politicans to do....well....Obama gets "OUTRAGED". | ||||
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04-29-2008, 08:30 PM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod I certainly don't lose, but a group of conservatives successfully alienated a whole generation of Hispanics with their anti-immigrant hatred and sent them right into the Democratic Party, now it looks like some people are making sure black and multiracial persons will vote 95% Democratic for the next 40 years
As to your ridiculous insult, I initially supported Hillary Clinton over mandates, among other issues...and I eventually voted for Obama just last week | ||||
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04-29-2008, 08:43 PM
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| Originally Posted by TankRizzo They obviously can't become president because any black American has ties to the black community, and the black community has many people who feel that injustice has been done...so, guilt by association, and therefor whites have a permanent excuse why no black man can ever become President
I don't what to make of your rant against welfare...the GOP was in complete control of the government from 2002-2006 and did nothing to alter it...also it goes towards kids mostly, I don't know if you think starving children will make the fathers run back, but that's not how it works in third world countries and there's no reason to think eliminating welfare would do any good here Rev Wright made his biggest hit at the National Press Club...the rich powerful white boys club...and by some making non-stop stories about Wright who Obama has publically renounced/divorced/whatever, while ignoring the ardent supporter McCain loves and accepts from Hagee who preaches anti-Catholic hate...it shows what certain white people want to hear And now you say "you know the real Obama" please, entertain us all with who he really is...oh this politician, he's a liar, and you can prove it through speculation, he disowned the statements twice, but the second time it's hypocritical because the first time he didn't tell the retiring old pastor to die in a fire...  | ||||
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04-29-2008, 09:00 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Democrats are the reason blacks are living so poorly in this country. Poorer people come to this country and are successful, yet Democrats tell blacks they can't be successful unless they vote for them. And what happens? Nothing except the same ole same ole. Democrats depend on the suffering of minorities to stay in business. And they will make absolutely sure they stay suffering so they can keep their jobs. So keep up the good work and make sure to tell those blacks how downtrodden they are if Obama loses. It's all for your party after all.
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04-29-2008, 09:04 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
Again, OBAMA IS NOT THE BE ALL, END ALL OF BLACK CANDIDATES. Just because he's a fuck up and hasn't been forthright about his ties to a shady past doesn't mean that no black person has a shot. That's about like saying because Al Gore lost that no environmentalist will ever be president. Politics is a dirty game, Obama tried to play it differently and it bit him in the ass. He created an image that he couldn't live up to. It's the game they play and he's finally decided to start playing now that Wright has called him on it. But trying to act like he should have a free path to the white house because he's black is absurd. As far as welfare, the GOP did nothing about it because if they did the liberals would have used one of the tactics they've developed over the years to keep black americans as their endentured servants by screaming racism. Besides, no politician could feasibly run or push for the elimination of hand outs, it would be career suicide, which is why I'm vehemently opposed to socialized healthcare. ...and NO, I'm NOT claiming to know the real obama, but what I am saying is that what we are seeing now is in STARK contrast with the Obama that we saw several months ago. | ||||
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04-29-2008, 09:07 PM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod Wait, so black politicians (who are basically all Democrats) go to work everyday thinking up ways for black people to suffer?
And...you think black people are too stupid to realize the Democratic Party is abusing them and trying to enlarge their suffering? I really don't see what Barack Obama has to do with welfare, unless now you've lumped him into some category you created of black-hating-blacks? Obama hates black people?  | ||||
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04-29-2008, 09:18 PM
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| Originally Posted by TankRizzo Saying Obama played politics too dirty, and we need a cleaner candidate if we're ever going to elect a black president...
 Again, McCain can hire David Duke admirers and have them as trusted advisors for years (and to this day), he can garner the support of anti-catholic preachers, and brag to this day about the endorsement...perfect presidential material, I mean cmon he's white, cut him some slack! But a black man kept in touch with another black man who brought him to Jesus...well that's it, he's accountable for everything the other person ever did and he can't be president Actually the GOP did push for welfare reform in the 90s, and eventually twisted Clinton's hand to sign it...that eventually led to the continuation of a GOP Congress and the first election of President Bush...wow that backlash was awful and completely uncalled for  The Obama I first saw in 2004 and the Obama I saw today looked identical...a Democrat from south Chicago bending over backwards to try and reach out to indepedent-right-leaning americans when I and others knew all along it would never get him anywhere...even before Wright/anything else...he was polling even with McCain...today, he's polling even with McCain... | ||||
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04-29-2008, 09:29 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Where are you getting this?
 I was trying to say that Obama was PRETENDING to be clean, then when he got dragged into dirty politics he didn't do nearly enough to disassociate himself from the dirt. NOW he's trying to do it when it's way too late. He knew Rev. Wright was going to be an issue and he should have nipped it in the bud out of the gates. Now here we are, he's no longer talking about his message and having to talk about Wright every other week.
 The GOP congress maintained control the same reason Clinton did, because of the tech boom and the subsequent good economy. And Bush tapped an evangelical base and exploited them for the 8 years. Trying to say welfare reform is the reason they were in power is a joke and you know it. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
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04-29-2008, 09:42 PM
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| I don't see how Rev. Wright is "dirty politics"...there really is no sense to say "if Rev. Wright had been a normal black pastor who talked about race a few times without any great soundbytes, then Obama would be clean"...everyone knew Rev. Wright, he was looked up by Clinton/RNC people 100x over, nothing was raised or lowly passed around...even now I don't see it being presented...the only thing people are complaining about...is what Wright himself said and Obama has said he doesn't agree with I didn't say welfare reform was the REASON they were in power, but you seemed to act like welfare reform = third rail = thrown out of politics...the GOP did fine after welfare reform, go ahead and talk about the tech boom, that didn't prevent Democrats from running on anti-welfare reform and this mysterious outrage Ayers is some politically corrupt connection? Obama was a legislator and involved with countless people on dozens of projects...guilt by association...only for black people It is literally impossible to be involved in America politics and not rub shoulders with A FEW bad apples, it's a ridiculous standard and one Obama never stated...he never said "you'll never hear about me having worked in the past with someone who before that time and after that time was really idiotic" he just set standards for how he would conduct himself as a Senator and as a President I'm glad anytime a Democrat opens his mouth and says something uniting, it's an empty suit... This is starting to become just plain trolling...we get it, you'll never vote for a Democrat in 2008 even if Jesus Christ himself came down to earth and ran for office as one, you have no interest in actually finding anything out about Obama or Wright, you just want to insult as much as possible without crossing any lines...this isn't DIAC, go back there if you just want to vent and have no interest in what other posters have to say | ||||
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04-29-2008, 09:52 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim He wasn't forthright about Wright. At first he denied it, then he tried to explain it away, now he's finally denouncing him because he's personally offended in spite of all of the inflammatory things Wright has said.
Do you actually believe this garbage you're spewing?
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04-29-2008, 10:10 PM
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| He didn't deny Rev Wright said any specific words...his explination still stands on why some black people say those things, he didn't denounce his prior statement...it was a great speech on race and he's proud of it and sticking to the racial themes...just because a personal aspect of one other black man has changed doesn't invalidate his speech or mean he's "taking it back" | ||||
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04-29-2008, 10:19 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
His whole reason for giving the speech was based on the Rev. Wright controversy. He also said he wanted an open dialog and I havn't heard mention of word one about race from him since then. In that speech Obama said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community." He didn't make mention word one of Wright saying the US of KKK, the government making AIDS and chickens coming home to roost until today because Wright hurt Obama's feelings. Wright hasn't said anything more controversial or contradictory to Obama's campaign now than he did back then, yet NOW Obama gets indignant about his association with him? | ||||
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04-29-2008, 10:27 PM
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| You want him to open up a dialogue on race and start off by making a catalog list of all the horrible things a black man said about the US Government? That sounds pretty counter-productive to me Again if you saw the whole first speech, and can't possibly understand why he said "I can no more disown...", then obviously it is pointless to try and talk anything deeper | ||||
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04-29-2008, 11:11 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
I want him to speak candidly about race like he did in the speech. In that speech he said poor whites are no better off than poor blacks. Meanwhile Wright is blaming white america for all that ails the black community, he's made a nice living of it and can now build a mansion on a golf course surrounded by whites  ...and it sure looks like he's disowning Wright right now to me. A couple weeks ago he was dismissed as "that crazy uncle". Now he's outraged? Give me a break. The ironic thing is that he's doing EXACTLY what Wright said he was, he's being a politician, saying things that politicians would say. Now Obama wants to finally cast Wright off like a leper. Good job. | ||||
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04-29-2008, 11:42 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| I have no idea why you don't understand certain things I've said many times I come from Anglo-German stock and such people are notoriously racist against other Europeans My fiancee, while white, is not German at all, I know several relatives who would make some comments about how I would have been happy with a German girl Now, they are being stupid, and are too old/stubborn to realize both how insulting they are being to me, her and non-Germans in general...however, they have been involved in my community for years so disowning them would be completely stupid, and I'll you right now I'd never disown them However, if one of them went on national television and said I shouldn't marry "non-Aryan trash", I'd punch him right in the face and basically disown him Does that make any sense to you at all? Do you have a family, friends, significant other...seriously...do I need to make up another example you can relate to since you seem to be having problems identifying with an uncle | ||||
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