U.S. Report: Al-Qaida Gaining Strength

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

how have we profited from Iraq?

The oil companies have certainly profited from the rise in prices.
And that Billion dollar embassy must have made someone a boat load of cash.

There is a large list of contractors that are charging us huge amounts to do half-assed work over there.


You still think this whole thing wasn't about profit?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Scrum

The oil companies have certainly profited from the rise in prices.
And that Billion dollar embassy must have made someone a boat load of cash.

There is a large list of contractors that are charging us huge amounts to do half-assed work over there.


You still think this whole thing wasn't about profit?

and how much have we spent, I wish there was a balance sheet to show exactly how much we have spent and how much we have lost

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

how have we profited from Iraq?

Depends who you define as 'we'.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Depends who you define as 'we'.

perhaps iminwonderland can clarify.

[WickedLou9]

Iraq is definately not making the government any money.... but companies like Haliburton are making millions. Blackwater USA is making millions. All of the contractors that are operating over there on the tax payer dollar are making millions of dollars. Companies that produce military equipment and supplies are making millions of dollars.

I don't think that is why we went to war though.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they have certainly made the public as aware as possible, you can call it fear mongering, I think it with they were reelected to do.

Going by that logic I can say Bill C. did a great job on terrorism, we were attacked on our soil in 93 but not again for the rest of his administration, not until a NEW administration took over, so your logic implies Bush dropped the ball big time, which makes his failures even worse.

P.S. - I don't agree with your logic

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Going by that logic I can say Bill C. did a great job on terrorism, we were attacked on our soil in 93 but not again for the rest of his administration, not until a NEW administration took over, so your logic implies Bush dropped the ball big time, which makes his failures even worse.

P.S. - I don't agree with your logic

I would disagree. I would say that both Clinton's and Bush's administrations failed to see the threat from Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. They were attacking us on our soil, our embassies. They were attacking our military.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I would disagree. I would say that both Clinton's and Bush's administrations failed to see the threat from Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. They were attacking us on our soil, our embassies. They were attacking our military.

I'm just going by your logic which I have stated I don't agree with.

You basically said:

Since 9/11 we haven't been attacked on our soil under Bush, therefore he has done a great job...

That is the same as saying:

Since 93 we haven't been attacked again on our soil under Clinton, therefore he did a great job...

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

I'm just going by your logic which I have stated I don't agree with.

You basically said:

Since 9/11 we haven't been attacked on our soil under Bush, therefore he has done a great job...

That is the same as saying:

Since 93 we haven't been attacked again on our soil under Clinton, therefore he did a great job...

that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration prior to 9/11, both sat by idly while Al Qaeda attacked America.

I think the Bush Administration has done a good job of going after Al Qaeda since 9/11.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration prior to 9/11, both sat by idly while Al Qaeda attacked America.

I think the Bush Administration has done a good job of going after Al Qaeda since 9/11.

They have done a terrible job They essentially ignored Afghanastan which was the biggest terrorist threat, and invaded Iraq instead, which had about as much involvement in terror as any other country in the world. They thought that they could draw the terrorists into a battle in Iraq but they were wrong. Al-Queda is just as strong now after Iraq as it was at 9/11. It's a totally failed policy.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

They have done a terrible job They essentially ignored Afghanastan which was the biggest terrorist threat, and invaded Iraq instead, which had about as much involvement in terror as any other country in the world. They thought that they could draw the terrorists into a battle in Iraq but they were wrong. Al-Queda is just as strong now after Iraq as it was at 9/11. It's a totally failed policy.

From the article:

Dailey, however, stressed that al-Qaida is still weaker overall than it was before Sept. 11, 2001.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

From the article:

I don't know if that's accurate and if it is it has nothing to do with our war in IRaq but rather arab opinion turning against Bin laden.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

From the article:

Since we are playing the "selectively quoting to match our beliefs" game, how about this snippet from the same article -

The earlier cease-fire and instability in the region appear "to have provided al-Qaida leadership greater mobility and ability to conduct training and operational planning, particularly that targeting Western Europe and the United States," the report says.


"Numerous senior al-Qaida operatives have been captured or killed, but al-Qaida leaders continued to plot attacks and to cultivate stronger operational connections that radiated outward from Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe," it says.

Taking our eye off the ball in Afghanistan by going into Iraq and allowing Pakistan to support AQ when our President said you are either for us or against us has allowed AQ to resurge and create more plans to attack us - yea Bush has done a great job!