GI Bill 2008 - Page 3

Kytro · 05-20-2008, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by kombayn

I don't hold against a person who is following orders to get their paycheck. That's what it's all about. Being able to get paid, save the money and support their family. I don't see what the big deal behind that is.

Normally nothing, but when you end up being paid to kill people for political reasons I tihnk it raises an ethical issue. Just like if you steal from others to survive it is still considered unethcial.

Originally Posted by kombayn

I agree with you that the Iraq War is terrible war of aggression but I don't sit here and blame soldiers. It's not their fault, they volunteered because of the benefits they get and I still find it admirable that they risk their life everyday in the face of bullets, while private contracting military personnel such as Blackwater USA hide in building and snipe people off left & right.

There a number of aspects at play here, one pint of view says that if no soliders were willing to fight in Iraq, there wouldn't be a war, so at some level they are to blame.

However, in reality they are stuck in the middle of life it just so happens the things they need to justify to live life are somewhat more questionable than most other people. Contractors are just outsourced, but the same applys to them to.

I don't dislike soliders, I just dislike what they do, and when it does not have to be done then I find it difficult to justify supporting what they are doing merely because it makes life easier for them.

Risking your life to protect something wrong only makes you a fool.

JaJae · 05-20-2008, 03:44 PM

McCain opposes it. Says it's too expensive.
McCain targeted for opposing vets college aid bill - Yahoo! News

McCain says the legislation is too expensive and has proposed his own version, which would increase the monthly benefit available to most veterans to $1,500 from $1,100. It would not offer the equivalent of a full scholarship.

Obama supports it and is attacking McCain for opposing it.

kombayn · 05-20-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Normally nothing, but when you end up being paid to kill people for political reasons I tihnk it raises an ethical issue. Just like if you steal from others to survive it is still considered unethcial.

There a number of aspects at play here, one pint of view says that if no soliders were willing to fight in Iraq, there wouldn't be a war, so at some level they are to blame.

However, in reality they are stuck in the middle of life it just so happens the things they need to justify to live life are somewhat more questionable than most other people. Contractors are just outsourced, but the same applys to them to.

I don't dislike soliders, I just dislike what they do, and when it does not have to be done then I find it difficult to justify supporting what they are doing merely because it makes life easier for them.

Risking your life to protect something wrong only makes you a fool.

I think you're making an over-statement with that comment. You don't know a soldiers living situation, that may be the only way to keep food on the table for his/her family. I don't think it's so cut and dry to make that person a fool.

kinggovernor · 05-20-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

McCain opposes it. Says it's too expensive.
McCain targeted for opposing vets college aid bill - Yahoo! News

Obama supports it and is attacking McCain for opposing it.

obviously this is something I don't agree with him on, and I don't know where he is getting his opinion from

six6ftr · 05-22-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Normally nothing, but when you end up being paid to kill people for political reasons I tihnk it raises an ethical issue. Just like if you steal from others to survive it is still considered unethcial.

There a number of aspects at play here, one pint of view says that if no soliders were willing to fight in Iraq, there wouldn't be a war, so at some level they are to blame.

However, in reality they are stuck in the middle of life it just so happens the things they need to justify to live life are somewhat more questionable than most other people. Contractors are just outsourced, but the same applys to them to.

I don't dislike soliders, I just dislike what they do, and when it does not have to be done then I find it difficult to justify supporting what they are doing merely because it makes life easier for them.

Risking your life to protect something wrong only makes you a fool.

Did you point any fingers at your government for sending over Australian Troops or did you also blame those that served? Are you willing to take up arms to protect your country's citizens in the absence of a military?

Kytro · 05-23-2008, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by kombayn

I think you're making an over-statement with that comment. You don't know a soldiers living situation, that may be the only way to keep food on the table for his/her family. I don't think it's so cut and dry to make that person a fool.

I shouldn't have said that, it isn't entirely accurate, less of a foolish action and more of unethical one. Killing other people, even to feed you family is still not always ethical, and government approval does not make it more so.

Kytro · 05-23-2008, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by six6ftr

Did you point any fingers at your government for sending over Australian Troops or did you also blame those that served? Are you willing to take up arms to protect your country's citizens in the absence of a military?

I would certainly fight and support action to protect my nation, and even allies, when under attack through not fault of thier own.

Yes I was most unhappy with the decision of the Australian government for the postion they took on Iraq, and I don't support the action of the troops involved.

One reason why I never considered joining a military was they don't let you decide what is right or wrong.

kinggovernor · 05-24-2008, 05:13 PM

Bringing back the GI bill a great idea
May. 24, 2008 12:00 AM

I was one of the very last veterans to go to university on the old GI bill. As I prepared to graduate, the Veterans Affairs Office seemed to be packing up as well.

This was a shame for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that for the past quarter-century very few elite students have had any experience or knowledge whatsoever of what the military is.

While studying international relations, the hippies thought the military was bad and should be phased out, while the frat boys (future neocons) thought it was a great idea - as long as they were telling the generals what to do.

Neither right nor left had the slightest idea what they were talking about. And these people now run our country.

Now Congress is preparing to pass a new GI bill, and for reasons that completely elude me, Sen. John McCain doesn't support the effort.

Senator, please bring back the GI bill! - Jim Burke,Bisbee