The Bush Admin never ceases to amaze me

WickedLou9 · 05-09-2008, 09:58 AM

So it seems that smoking pot makes you crazy now. Are we really back to this sort of nonsense?

Feds: Teen use of pot can lead to dependency, mental illness - Yahoo! News

Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.

For example, using marijuana increases the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent, the report said. And teens who smoke pot at least once a month over a yearlong period are three times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than nonusers, it said.

Are they fucking kidding me?

are we back to this shit now?

kinggovernor · 05-09-2008, 10:04 AM

I don't think it causes it, but many people with mental issues abuse drugs and alcohol.

WickedLou9 · 05-09-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I don't think it causes it, but many people with mental issues abuse drugs and alcohol.

I don't dispute that, but they have reversed the cause and effect. They are trying to assert that the use of Marijuana CAUSES mental illness and suicidal thoughts. AHHH REFER MADNESS!!!

motivez · 05-09-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't dispute that, but they have reversed the cause and effect. They are trying to assert that the use of Marijuana CAUSES mental illness and suicidal thoughts. AHHH REFER MADNESS!!!

That shit CAN make you crazy...

...crazy hungry, that is. Or so I hear.

TankRizzo · 05-09-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't dispute that, but they have reversed the cause and effect. They are trying to assert that the use of Marijuana CAUSES mental illness and suicidal thoughts. AHHH REFER MADNESS!!!

I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibilities, but yeah, I'm skeptical of the messenger.

thewise1 · 05-09-2008, 11:31 AM

This just in - masturbation causes blindness and madness

BTW, don't expect a response when you respond, cause I won't be able to see it

kombayn · 05-09-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibilities, but yeah, I'm skeptical of the messenger.

Trust me, I'm a pot smoker and it does not cause mental illness or suicidal thoughts. Now if they were talking about people using heroin, meth, crack or PCP then they have an argument about the user getting mental illness or suicidal thoughts. But that is just an outrageous claim about pot.

6SpeedTA95 · 05-09-2008, 06:17 PM

war on drugs = war on my wallet

Donkey® · 05-09-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by kombayn

Trust me, I'm a pot smoker

Well the government rests their case.

thewise1 · 05-09-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Well the government rests their case.

zing!

kombayn · 05-09-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Well the government rests their case.

Said the man with a jackass as his avatar.

TankRizzo · 05-09-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by kombayn

Trust me, I'm a pot smoker and it does not cause mental illness or suicidal thoughts. Now if they were talking about people using heroin, meth, crack or PCP then they have an argument about the user getting mental illness or suicidal thoughts. But that is just an outrageous claim about pot.

...sooooo you're telling me....as a pot smoker.....that a psychoactive drug that acts on the central nervous system and alters brain function is COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibilities that it can cause a chemical imbalance in some people?

A_C_E · 05-10-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

war on drugs = war on my wallet

Make that shit legal.

I'd support legalizing everything except heroin, meth, and PCP. Save all of us a shitload in federal tax dollars.

kombayn · 05-10-2008, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

...sooooo you're telling me....as a pot smoker.....that a psychoactive drug that acts on the central nervous system and alters brain function is COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibilities that it can cause a chemical imbalance in some people?

Umm... If you can get my some weed that'll make it psychoactive, I'm down for it. The only time I've seen someone have "suicidal thoughts" was when my friend at 14 smoked a joint that he didn't know was laced with PCP (called a P-Dawg). That fucked with his brain (he now takes medication because he does get suicidal thoughts, but that was cause of the PCP which made him trip-out really hard) but trust me weed isn't powerful enough to make you have suicidal thoughts, the more you smoke your tolerance gets bigger. I mean it's possible I guess... That it "MIGHT" happen, but a less than 1% chance I would say it has. Weed isn't a harmful drug. But I don't condone kids or teenagers using it, because it does make you lazier and hungry. That's as bad as it gets.

WickedLou9 · 05-10-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

...sooooo you're telling me....as a pot smoker.....that a psychoactive drug that acts on the central nervous system and alters brain function is COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibilities that it can cause a chemical imbalance in some people?

yeah I think the decades of research that contradict the governments study pretty much confirm it. Marijuana is one of the most harmless drugs we know of.

A_C_E · 05-10-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

yeah I think the decades of research that contradict the governments study pretty much confirm it. Marijuana is one of the most harmless drugs we know of.

Indeed.

For god's sake, we have THC receptors in our brains. The active ingredients in weed aren't fucking with your central nervous system, they're being neatly processed in your head. It's no more dangerous than alcohol, and is actually LESS dangerous in the long-run due to the shit alcohol takes on your liver, kidneys, and norepinephrine receptors.

kombayn · 05-10-2008, 02:21 PM

Very true, we even have a natural chemical in our brain and our grass called DMT. Which is the most illegal substance in the United States, the chemical DMT in our brain is what allows us to dream, people would extract that out of the grass, smoke it and some say they end up in a different world (they're actually dreaming but they're awake, that's a bit trippy). No study can prove it's harmful to the person because it's a natural chemical from a humans brain, yet the government bans it for stupid reasons (ex. War on Drugs).

Weed isn't very harmful, if smoked with blunt wraps or other things it can but a very small % chance of giving a person cancer but Weed is used a medicine to help sick patients cure their nausea. I don't think doctors would give patients a medicine that would cause suicidal thoughts or mental illness.

A_C_E · 05-10-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by kombayn

I don't think doctors would give patients a medicine that would cause suicidal thoughts or mental illness.

That's not really the best argument you could make.

For instance, PCP was used as a painkiller for years.

kombayn · 05-10-2008, 05:11 PM

That sucks. Who thought that was a good idea?

TankRizzo · 05-10-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by kombayn

Umm... If you can get my some weed that'll make it psychoactive, I'm down for it. The only time I've seen someone have "suicidal thoughts" was when my friend at 14 smoked a joint that he didn't know was laced with PCP (called a P-Dawg). That fucked with his brain (he now takes medication because he does get suicidal thoughts, but that was cause of the PCP which made him trip-out really hard) but trust me weed isn't powerful enough to make you have suicidal thoughts, the more you smoke your tolerance gets bigger. I mean it's possible I guess... That it "MIGHT" happen, but a less than 1% chance I would say it has. Weed isn't a harmful drug. But I don't condone kids or teenagers using it, because it does make you lazier and hungry. That's as bad as it gets.

how about a British Medical Journal stating it's more like a 41% chance?

Cannabis & Later Psychosis: The Lancet Meta-analysis | Abnormal-Clinical, Biopsychology | Storied Conduct

A new meta-analysis published in British medical journal, The Lancet, argues that the use of cannabis is not at all an innocent pleasure. Rather, in a review of the combined results of 35 population-based longitudinal observational studies of the relationship between the use of cannabis and psychiatric disorders in later life, the authors found an overall increased risk of 41% in the development of any psychosis among individuals who had used marijuana in the past.

furthermore, THC is a psychoactive substance.

Look, I'm all for the legalization of it, but the fact of the matter is that since it's an illegal substance they haven't been able to do enough widespread research on it's longterm effects. You breathe smoke into your lungs and it fucks up your brain; I'm just trying to say that there's probably a pretty good chance that it does in fact do something to you.