Rosie O'Donnell equates Radical Christianity to Radical Islam

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

How many people died in the name of Christianity this year...

I'll wait while you get that figure.

About 530
Iraq Coalition Casualties


How many Saudi princes who finance terrorism died in the name of Islam this year?

How many secular Arabs, pushed into attacking the US by Islamist money, died for Islamist causes?

[ballz2wallz]

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

About 530
Iraq Coalition Casualties


How many Saudi princes who finance terrorism died in the name of Islam this year?

How many secular Arabs, pushed into attacking the US by Islamist money, died for Islamist causes?

So basically you feel that the War in Iraq is about Radical Christianity. You feel there is little different to Radical Islamists and that of Radical Christians. You see little difference between Radical Islamist nations and America. You essentially compare Radical Christianity and America with dictatorship nations and Radical Islamists and call them a wash.

Do you realize that this mentality is the minority in America. Perhaps not in the news sources you frequent, but in America and the vast majority of the world your views are considered extreme?

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Well, I'm still curious to know how radical Christians like Bush are equated to radical Islamists like bin Laden.

No one is equating them, but their belief systems do have a good amount in common:

Both think they know what God wants, they know who God really is, and if you don't believe in their god and follow his rules, you're going to hell for eternity. Both also believe that when they kill people, it's God's will, and both believe each other is evil, and they themselves are good. Both believe that religion should play a greater role in society, and neither belives in the separation of church and state. Both believe in spreading, violently if necessary, their systems of government around the world. Both, domestically, have a very similar agenda, e.g., anti abortion, anti porn, anti premarital sex, etc...basically, all the victimless crimes.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

So basically you feel that the War in Iraq is about Radical Christianity. You feel there is little different to Radical Islamists and that of Radical Christians. You see little difference between Radical Islamist nations and America. You essentially compare Radical Christianity and America with dictatorship nations and Radical Islamists and call them a wash.

Do you realize that this mentality is the minority in America. Perhaps not in the news sources you frequent, but in America and the vast majority of the world your views are considered extreme?

No I don't think that

But I feel like the invasion of Iraq was pushed forward by radical christians like Ann Coulter, I think radical christians support for the invasion is pretty well documented

Radical Islam and Radicial Christianity are very different...you see muslims don't believe in Jesus being their savior, i don't have time to list every difference

I see a lot different between Radical Islamic nations and America, in America, radical christians have boughten our politicians, in other countries they have popular support

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

No one is equating them,

You're right, Rosie actually said radical Christianity (ie Bush) is worse.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You're right, Rosie actually said radical Christianity (ie Bush) is worse.

Saying one is worse means nothing. Worse in what respect? Intention? Effect? American civil liberties? Raw number of deaths? What?

If you're talking about long term effect on America and the world... what if a huge civil war breaks out in Iraq because of this? What if 15000 of our soldiers end up dead because of the war? What if hundreds of thousands more Iraqis end up dead? What if we don't end up any safer because of it? What if the next 911, worse than the first, is caused by terrorists created because of Bush? What if he sparks the next world war?

I don't know if any of that will happen, but it could, in which case saying Bush is worse than Bin Laden isn't unreasonable because of the net effects of their acts.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

No I don't think that

But I feel like the invasion of Iraq was pushed forward by radical christians like Ann Coulter, I think radical christians support for the invasion is pretty well documented

Radical Islam and Radicial Christianity are very different...you see muslims don't believe in Jesus being their savior, i don't have time to list every difference

I see a lot different between Radical Islamic nations and America, in America, radical christians have boughten our politicians, in other countries they have popular support

It was pushed forward by Anne Coulter. Then do you feel all the anti-war protesting is harming the war effort and thus causing a hinderence would could result in American/Iraqi deaths?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It was pushed forward by Anne Coulter. Then do you feel all the anti-war protesting is harming the war effort and thus causing a hinderence would could result in American/Iraqi deaths?

anti-war critics are merely pointing out the obvious, and include former generals and current military officers who have to speak anonymously

like vietnam, the more protests, the quicker the war ends, the more american lives saved

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

anti-war critics are merely pointing out the obvious, and include former generals and current military officers who have to speak anonymously

like vietnam, the more protests, the quicker the war ends, the more american lives saved

Ok, anti-war liberal rhetoric is merely pointing out obvious and saving lives. But the conversative rhetoric is causing problems.

Got ya.

[Dumpy Dooby]

The Islamic terrorists live in an archaic society. That part of the world is archaic. Their lifestyle is archaic. Everything out there is archaic ... their religious extremism is even archaic. Here in America, we have a higher HDI (Human Development Index), and we don't really have the same problems that we may have had a few hundred years ago. Religious extremism in America isn't really violent (Paul Hill is the only violent one that comes to mind), and it's really only limited to Ken Ham, the Westboro Baptists, and that crazy bitch from Trading Spouses ("DARK-SIDED!!!").

Do I think these people are just as nutty as the Islam extremists? You bet. Do I think that they would kill in the name of their God? No, I don't. But if this had been 300yrs ago, then yes. There's just been enough societal influence on them to get their religious beliefs to be align themselves within the borders of "Do not kill in the name of Jesus." The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades are two atrocities that resulted from Christian extremism in an archaic society. And yes, both of those atrocities are on par with present-day radical Muslims.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

radical christians like Ann Coulter

You're mixing religious fundamentalism and political fundamentalism. Ann Coulter is a radical conservative. Her politics come before her God, no matter what she says. I wouldn't be surprised if she's never even read the Bible.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You're mixing religious fundamentalism and political fundamentalism. Ann Coulter is a radical conservative. Her politics come before her God, no matter what she says. I wouldn't be surprised if she's never even read the Bible.

That's a good point. She's not radical Christian, just radical conservative.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

I think the reason why some like myself see a lot of similarity between fundamentalist xians and osama bin laden, and other people think any comparison is stupid, is a difference of opinion about the root cause of terror.

I happen to think the root cause of islamic terror is a belief system, one in which there is no grey, only black and white...where there is a class of people in favor with god, and everyone else who is going to hell, and it is these chosen people who must run society, because if the hell-bound group gets power, the world is screwed...that's basically the Osama Bin Laden school of thought, and it's also how fundamentalist Xians think. IMO, once you've embarked down this road of thought, violence is inevitable...and any non violence by Xians lately is an aberration, with the longer bloody history of Xianty showing its true colors.

On the other hand, other people, particularly those who subscribe to the above school of thought, think the root cause of terror is Islam itself, or that Osama Bin Laden et al are simply "evil." In that case, there is no comparison or similarities between any kind of Xianity and Islam...either Islam, alone, is the problem, or evil is the problem, irrespective of religion.

[ballz2wallz]

The difference of course between the two religions based on those strict belief systems, is that one is willing to kill others for it, and the other is not. That to me is a huge difference.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The difference of course between the two religions based on those strict belief systems, is that one is willing to kill others for it, and the other is not. That to me is a huge difference.

ill take abortion clinic bombers for $1000 alex

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

ill take abortion clinic bombers for $1000 alex

That's like ... 6 in the past 20yrs? All of which were unintentional.

Paul Hill is your best example. He's the only 20th century American Christian that I can think of that intentionally killed in the name of his religion.

Actually, I would recommend that you rethink your argument and maybe do some research because you've been grasping for straws throughout this entire thread.

[JaJae]

http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/...s-remarks.html

Interesting....

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

That's like ... 6 in the past 20yrs? All of which were unintentional.

Paul Hill is your best example. He's the only 20th century American Christian that I can think of that intentionally killed in the name of his religion.

Actually, I would recommend that you rethink your argument and maybe do some research because you've been grasping for straws throughout this entire thread.

The only people clutching for straws are those who constantly reframe the debate

Can we get some time period here...the same people who want to still hold muslims accountable for terrorist bombings in the 1970s are the same people who want to rule abortion clinic bombings of the last 20 years to be insignificant, or the IRA's strongly religious terrorist faction to be insignificant, or Timothy McVeigh to be "oh well, he didn't make a suicide tape so he's not really a terrorist"