Originally Posted by DosEquis ASA Home particularly the link sugar pdf page 4 of the PDF your numbers came from the American sugar industry. They're the ones pushing for continued poor economic practices....
05-14-2008, 08:25 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA 
|  your numbers came from the American sugar industry. They're the ones pushing for continued poor economic practices.
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05-14-2008, 09:01 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost so do they just make shit up then or what? 
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05-14-2008, 10:41 PM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by DosEquis I guess, my numbers come from international sources such as the UN and shit. I mean, it shouldn't be a surprise that they fudge the numbers to help their cause. That's what a lot of groups do (lord knows it's why we can't use any global warming or "second hand smoke does/doesn't kill" numbers)
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05-15-2008, 08:19 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| `(b) Sovereign Immunity- A foreign state engaged in conduct in violation of subsection (a) shall not be immune under the doctrine of sovereign immunity from the jurisdiction or judgments of the courts of the United States in any action brought to enforce this section. so is the US going to scream when another country passes a similar law and goes after us for doing something they don't like? | ||||
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05-15-2008, 02:58 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| Originally Posted by 7960 More than likely we'll just ignore it like we do everything else we don't want to follow, like UN resolutions
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05-17-2008, 11:03 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by David Octavius You "know" this how?
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05-17-2008, 11:26 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 If we can put a man on the moon.............................................. ......
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05-18-2008, 01:29 AM
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| George W Bush, God's Tool  Independent ny
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I would figure you of all people would buy into the marketplace of innovation if there is demand and investment in place? Guess not...
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05-18-2008, 03:08 PM
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| your god  libertarian Salt Lake City, UT 
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 The Federal government could also repeal anti-refinery laws and quit interfering with property rights by selling off all of its "public" property, repeal any "protected" property laws, allowing people to drill for oil in the U.S.
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05-18-2008, 03:10 PM
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| your god libertarian Salt Lake City, UT
| Originally Posted by 7960 Then we can just put a man on the moon.
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05-18-2008, 03:44 PM
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| Originally Posted by David Octavius Oh i totally am in favor of a marketplace of innovation. Solar is making break throughs right now. But how do you know in five years it would be a solid alternative to our current infrastructure? Have you read something I haven't? I read on energy constantly, solar is going to be a great supplement in the future. But at this point it isn't and even if panels tripled in efficiency they still wouldn't be a good alternative for most places in the country.
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05-18-2008, 03:45 PM
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by Spideynw Yeah I agree.
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05-18-2008, 05:30 PM
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| Lurker  libertarian Kutztown PA
| Does anyone know how much of the "Energy Crisis" that we're having right now comes from our power plants as opposed to things like cars? It seems to me that these two things are somewhat separate from one another. For instance, we could build lots of nuclear plants, but we're still in trouble if gas is 5$ a gallon because we don't have nuclear powered cars, right? And like wise even if we can make a car that gets 100mpg we're still in trouble because we still need to power and heat our homes right? I guess what I'm trying to ask is where do the majority of our energy problems lie? If anyone has a quick explanation or a good link I'd appreciate it as I'm genuinely curious and uniformed on the issue. | ||||
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05-18-2008, 05:42 PM
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| Nader/Gonzalez '08  Independent Los Angeles, CA
| I've heard in debates and news-shows that we're not even allowed to build more power plants anymore or tap oil in our own country because of the hippie "green" activists that have polluted their politics to the point that Earth Day turned every logo into a green one on TV or Websites. Now, we're doing studies with ethanol and what happened? We ended up making food prices sky-rocket around the world? Was that the activists plans? To make sure poor countries can't even get corn, wheat or grain for food? That's why I don't like the extreme left or the extreme right getting into office because they'll pass crazy bills in office. | ||||
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05-19-2008, 09:47 AM
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| your god libertarian Salt Lake City, UT
| Originally Posted by kombayn We cannot build anymore nuclear power plants. We cannot tap into our own oil because they are "wildlife preserves". Corn ethanol takes more than one gallon of fossil fuels to produce one gallon of ethanol, but corn ethanol production is not the cause of the world food shortage. Governments around the world are responsible for that.
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05-19-2008, 10:08 AM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Two new nuke reactors are likely to be built in Georgia at one of our currently active nuke plants (Plant Votgle) I just heard the news today. It has to be approved by GA PSC, but if it is this will be the first new nuclear power since 1979 (Three Mile Island). The plants already have the money promised from various EMC's in Georgia (Georgia Power grabbing up some 46% of them both) and contracts have been reached with Westinghouse who will build them. I said years ago that as energy prices increase, we'll be left with no choice but to allow more nuclear power to be produced. It's cool that the first of this new power is likely to be made in my own state. I just looked it up and there are filings for 2 other plants to be built, one in SC and another in AL. There are also 3 more that are expected to be filed soon. | ||||
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05-19-2008, 11:03 AM
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| Give me liberty or give me death!  libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost Awesome. I hope we can fast track enough new plants that we can just shut down any older tech ones. Also we need to get on the ball with a nuclear waste disposal system.
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05-19-2008, 03:06 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 One thing I've always wondered is how much oil and energy it takes to make the solar panels in the first place?
It seems like the kind of technology we should be the most interested in is the kind that takes the least amount of energy to produce for the most efficient output in return. I think, like France, we could heavily invest in nuclear infrastructure and be very well off, but no one really wants that shit in their back yards.. and I can't really say I blame them. I'm in favor of building more, and I wouldn't want to live close to one.. | ||||
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05-19-2008, 05:02 PM
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| your god libertarian Salt Lake City, UT
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost I just read that the nuclear energy sector is heavily invested in the "cap and trade" garbage. They want it because they know it will make regular energy so expensive that we will have to go to nuclear energy. And, I think, nuclear energy does not emit carbon dioxide.
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