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ballz2wallz · 09-18-2006, 08:54 AM

This is going to get out of hand quickly...

WickedLou9 · 09-18-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by mididoctors

yes thats true.. but oddly the US airforce and army did blow up a lot of people in Iraq?

so

"if someone says that youre culture is violent, you do not respond with violence, its pretty simple"

has this transgression occurred somewhere along the line for the USA at some different level?

Boris
London

That's not really the same is it. We did not go to war in Iraq BECAUSE they said we were violent. We didn't go because they said anything at all. We went over there under the premise that IRaq had both ties to terrorists and an active WMD program.. both of which turned out to be wrong but that's another arguement for another time.

If you go to war because someone says something mean to you... you have some serious issues.

These people are going to war because someone said something bad about them.. When was the last time someone insulted you? Did you take a sword to them and light thier house on fire? Did you declare war on thier entire family?

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by mididoctors

yes thats true.. but oddly the US airforce and army did blow up a lot of people in Iraq?

so

"if someone says that youre culture is violent, you do not respond with violence, its pretty simple"

has this transgression occurred somewhere along the line for the USA at some different level?

Boris
London

There are many, many Muslim leaders who say bad things about the Christians. I have yet to see Christians leave their nation and go firebomb temples because of it though.

Thorgrim · 09-18-2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

There are many, many Muslim leaders who say bad things about the Christians. I have yet to see Christians leave their nation and go firebomb temples because of it though.

Muslims have no choice, in Saudi Arabia, the family dictatorship will not allow voices of dissent against the US or ever seriously change its relationship with the US regardless of what its followers say...their only recourse is to go to the battleground themselves and fight

Were you this condescending when muslims were leaving their country to go fight the Soviet Union?

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Muslims have no choice, in Saudi Arabia, the family dictatorship will not allow voices of dissent against the US or ever seriously change its relationship with the US regardless of what its followers say...their only recourse is to go to the battleground themselves and fight

Were you this condescending when muslims were leaving their country to go fight the Soviet Union?

They have no choice but to firebomb churches and commit acts of terorrism? Why exactly is that?

WickedLou9 · 09-18-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Muslims have no choice, in Saudi Arabia, the family dictatorship will not allow voices of dissent against the US or ever seriously change its relationship with the US regardless of what its followers say...their only recourse is to go to the battleground themselves and fight

Were you this condescending when muslims were leaving their country to go fight the Soviet Union?

Merely over something that we said? If I said that your mother was a hamster.. would it be justified for you to come and kill me and my family?

IminWonderland · 09-18-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by mididoctors

Does the USA have a culture of extreme violence?

Boris
London

We sure do.

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Merely over something that we said? If I said that your mother was a hamster.. would it be justified for you to come and kill me and my family?

Yes because their government leaves them no choice

WickedLou9 · 09-18-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

We sure do.

It is not anywhere near the same level that it exists in the middle east.

IminWonderland · 09-18-2006, 01:13 PM

I think the problem is the spotlight on an already unstable culture. These people right now, are like the world's problem. Their culture is not something we are used to dealing with. It reminds me of the shock to America when we found out about Kamikaze pilots, and how crazy we thought that was. It's cultural. It doesn't excuse it, but that's the reason it is what it is...

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

It is not anywhere near the same level that it exists in the middle east.

ISLAM:
Hot Air » Blog Archive » The Religion of…

CHRISTIANITY:
Murdered nun asked forgiveness for killers as she lay dying, colleagues say - iht,africa,Somalia Nun Killed - Africa & Middle East - International Herald Tribune

Murdered nun asked forgiveness for killers as she lay dying, colleagues say
The Associated Press

NAIROBI, Kenya Sister Leonella, a nun who devoted her life to helping the sick in volatile regions of Africa, used to joke that there was a bullet with her name engraved on it in Somalia. When the bullet came, she used her last breaths to forgive those responsible.

"I forgive, I forgive," she whispered in her native Italian just before she died, the Rev. Maloba Wesonga told The Associated Press at the nun's memorial mass in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, on Monday.

Sister Leonella's execution-style murder over the weekend has raised concerns that she and other foreigners who have been killed in Somalia recently are victims of growing Islamic radicalism in the country.
Published: September 18, 2006

She was murdered for being a Christian religious symbol.

IminWonderland · 09-18-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

It is not anywhere near the same level that it exists in the middle east.

Have you ever been in a city that rioted because of a "NOT GUILTY" verdict?

Americans have the potential to be just as violent as Muslims. Maybe not directly on other countries, but all humans have the streak, it's just that it can be brought out in different ways. Right now, Muslims are the defense because they are being accused of being a religion that is instigating trouble around the world. They have been in a spotlight for almost 5 years. Sometimes when you label something as something, it might not be that at first, but eventually it will turn to that...

Thorgrim · 09-18-2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

ISLAM:
Hot Air » Blog Archive » The Religion of…

CHRISTIANITY:
Murdered nun asked forgiveness for killers as she lay dying, colleagues say - iht,africa,Somalia Nun Killed - Africa & Middle East - International Herald Tribune

She was murdered for being a Christian religious symbol.

Funny that girl in Haditha was begging for her life, I am sure the rape victim in that other Iraqi town did before they killed her and her family, lets go condemn US soldiers

Thorgrim · 09-18-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

They have no choice but to firebomb churches and commit acts of terorrism? Why exactly is that?

My point was leaving their countries to fight, not firebombing specifically

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

My point was leaving their countries to fight, not firebombing specifically

Well that's what they do... "they leave their country to FIGHT".. RIOT, MURDER, DESTORY, TERRORIZE.

Thorgrim · 09-18-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Well that's what they do... "they leave their country to FIGHT".. RIOT, MURDER, DESTORY, TERRORIZE.

destroy, 'murder', terrorize are all noormal parts of warfare

but I doubt egyptians are going to iraq to "RIOT"...burn american flags

Those Shia Iraqi (the ones who run the government we prop up) were burning a papal effigy AND the US flag

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

destroy, 'murder', terrorize are all noormal parts of warfare

Muslims go to war over cartoons in newspapers?

See I thought you were trying to make the argument that they were more peaceful... It's nice to see you agree.

Thorgrim · 09-18-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Muslims go to war over cartoons in newspapers?

See I thought you were trying to make the argument that they were more peaceful... It's nice to see you agree.

They are as peaceful as anyone else, if you are asking me if I think they have some sort of monopoly on peace...no...otherwise I would be a Muslim

JaJae · 09-18-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

They are as peaceful as anyone else, if you are asking me if I think they have some sort of monopoly on peace...no...otherwise I would be a Muslim

So other religions partake in this type of behavior just as often and over the same silly reasons?