One of the reasons I started to dislike Ron Paul was because of his racist newsletters authored in his name of which he claimed he knew nothing about. I don't think he was honest about it. I think he knew who his supporters were and what needed to be said ...
06-02-2008, 10:02 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ 
| One of the reasons I started to dislike Ron Paul was because of his racist newsletters authored in his name of which he claimed he knew nothing about. I don't think he was honest about it. I think he knew who his supporters were and what needed to be said for him to make some money off the newsletter to put towards his campaigning. So he let it go. That coupled with unashamedly accepting money from Stormfront and racists pissed me off. Barr, unlike Paul is willing to tell the racists, anarchist and wackjobs to go to hell. Stormfront started posting in support of Barr and unlike Paul, he had the balls to them to go to hell and said he will not be accepting money from known haters.
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06-02-2008, 11:11 PM
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| Lurker  libertarian Kutztown PA
| Good, the Libertarian needs to make sure that people don't associate them with racists, anarchists, etc etc... Such an association could hurt the party and the ideology in terms of growth and acceptance into the mainstream. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by JaJae Learn from the mistakes of others. 
__________________ http://www.corruptapedia.com/ You can call me Aaron Burr the way I drop Hamiltons. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 06:20 PM
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| 100% L.A. Livin'  Independent Los Angeles, CA
| They're already a bunch of people that can prove that those "racist newsletters" were used a smear campaign on Ron Paul. It worked obviously but people have disproved those notions and Ron Paul didn't actually know about those letters. Also when Ron Paul handed out endorsements, he gave one to a man running GOP on his platform for Congress, later to find out he was a Neo-Nazi and started filling up his debates with hate speech, Ron Paul quickly withdrew his endorsement and condemned the practice of Neo-Nazi's. But good for Bob Barr, he's on the right track... You'd be surprised how many "pure" libertarians hate the man though. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 06:22 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by kombayn How can you say his own newsletters are a smear campaign? They were authored in his name. If I had a newsletter that was funding my re-election campaigns I'm sure I would have read a few.
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06-03-2008, 06:36 PM
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| 100% L.A. Livin' Independent Los Angeles, CA
| Pajamas Media » Ron Paul Bigotry Revolution Ron Paul Statement on The New Republic Article Regarding Old Newsletters | Reuters The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan Read for yourself, I still think the newsletters are damaging to him but they came out a very funny time. It was used as a smear tactic. Just like the Veterans Against Kerry. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 06:39 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death!  libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae Do you really believe that Paul is a neo-nazi, deep down?
If so, I think you should re-evaluate the man. It's not like he's going to win at this point, but a truly good man who has done good for his country has been smeared by this, and if you actually look objectively at what he's done, I don't think you will find racism or hate. I find it deplorable that we smear him for not returning hate mongers money to them or because of what someone wrote in his name - when we've nominated a socialist on one side and a man who couldn't even stay faithful to his wife on the other. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 06:45 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by kombayn Give me a break. It came out when he was running for president. Was it a hit job? No more so than any other candidate could expect during a presidential campaign. The reality is he released those newsletters in his name for years. He had to have known who his target audience was and the content that was in it. He received no unfair press or treatment for those newsletters. He had it coming. The media should have reported those newsletters and if anything they should have reported it more. Lucky for him he wasn't a top tier candidate.
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06-03-2008, 07:03 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by thewise1 Not at all, but I think he should be held completely accountable for what he publishes and I don't believe for one second that he had no clue stuff like that was being written without his knowledge.
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06-03-2008, 07:08 PM
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| Lurker libertarian Kutztown PA
| I think its obvious the newsletters came out WHEN they did in order to drive votes away from him (if i remember right it was right before NH, which was suppose to be a strong state for him). But they were still published in the Ron Paul Newsletter. I don't think he's a closet neo-nazi, I don't think hes racist I think that he misplaced his trust and more specifically his newsletter into some people who were. This doesn't make him a racist or a bad person, but it does make him irresponsible and somewhat negligent. I still like him and support his ideas, but lets face it, he fucked that one up. | ||||
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06-03-2008, 07:17 PM
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| 100% L.A. Livin' Independent Los Angeles, CA
| Originally Posted by JaJae See, I completely agree with you on that. 100%, he needs to take responsibility even if he didn't know it was going on. Just how I feel Ronald Reagan needed to be held accountable for the Iran/Contra Affair, people accuse him of knowing, I don't think he did, I felt he was just that inept to the whole situation.
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06-03-2008, 10:52 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae I agree. Thing is, given that logic, I have to say that the newsletters matter exactly zero to me, and it disgusts me that this man has been villified over it.
His sins are small time compared to the sins of the major candidates. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 12:22 PM
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| Governments should fear their people  Paleolibertarian
| I don't see the problems with anarchists supporting Paul, Barr, or anyone else. I can understand the racist thing in today's PC world, but anarchists supporting a candidate hurt the candidate's chances? I think that's pretty stupid. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 12:41 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by lew He catered himself to them in his newsletters though. I'm sure the communists in America would support Obama over McCain and the KKK will endorse McCain over Obama. The difference is that Obama hasn't courted their support through newsletters for many years and McCain hasn't done the same. There's a big difference here. I could care less that white supremacists and anarchists supported Ron Paul. I do care that he solicited himself to them for years, built a lot of his political fund raising around them and then unashamedly continued to accept their money while seeking the presidency. To me, that's just wrong and it was a big mistake.
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06-04-2008, 12:56 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae I can't argue that it was a mistake.
That said, I don't think that's wrong at all. Should he give the money back to the guy from stormfront and let him use it to spread hate, or should he continue to spread his message of individual achievement vs racial grouping? | ||||
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06-04-2008, 01:17 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by thewise1 He should have given it back. If McCain authored racist newsletters for years and solicited money from racists and anarchists to fund his political career and then while running for president and trying to separate from his checkered past the Grand Wizard of the KKK gives McCain money, McCain should give it back. Not to "let him use it to spread hate" but to disassociate himself with him. That's how I feel. It tells me and everyone else that he doesn't want any part of that shit anymore. But instead he takes it and accepts it as always has done. The man is just off the radar...
If I were running for office and he gave me money I would say thanks, but no thanks and give the money back. I wouldn't want any part of it. And it's even more damaging to Paul's character considering his history. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 01:37 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae I just really think that's all based on some flawed logic. I agree that politically it turned out to be a big mistake, but only because the people of this country don't think logically.
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06-04-2008, 01:41 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by thewise1 To the contrary, I think they were thinking logically. You have a man who partly built his political career on racist newsletters he claims he knew nothing about then continues to accept money from top racists in this country for his presidential nomination. Unless they're huge Ron Paul supporters who want to only see the good in him it's very hard to turn a blind eye to and say "well better he has it than someone else." Why, so he can turn around and spend it on more newsletters he doesn't when he doesn't get the nomination and needs to get re-elected?
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06-04-2008, 01:46 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae Whatever his personal views - and even you said he's no neo nazi - his voting record does not reflect racism or neo-nazi crap.
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