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7960 · 05-30-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

They're not even in the same league.

ADHD is just a lack of attention span/concentration. Autism effects the person's social and communication abilities to where they can't really comprehend emotional and social structure.

yep.

Autistic or not isn't like asking "does he have a cold or is it RSV?" Autistic or not is more like "does he have a cold or throat cancer?"

Dumpy Dooby · 05-30-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It's easier on the teacher if the kid is diagnosed with ADHD (for instance) because the resulting drugs makes the kid easier to deal with.

What drugs are given to "high functioning" autistic children, and what effects do those drugs have on children that do not actually suffer from a form of autism?

Ardentfrost · 05-30-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

This is like making fun of people with mental retardation. Do you suppose those parents just want their kids classified as being retarded so they can feel better about themselves as parents?

Who's making fun of people with Aspergers? I'm making fun of the word b/c when anyone mentioned it audibly, it sounds like "ass burgers"

That is, if they're saying it correctly

Ardentfrost · 05-30-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

ADHD is not the same as Autism. You can't compare the two. The study you linked doesn't try, and as 7960 pointed out, it doesn't really agree with the theory you've put forward here, that this kid and most who are diagnosed with it are just brats, the doctors are too stupid to tell the difference, and the parents are too stupid to know the difference between a behavior issue and a permanent disability.

Oh my God, read what I'm saying.

Linking two unrelated behavioral problems statistically means that the trend is an increase in diagnosis of bahavioral problems. The fact that they are unrelated makes the statistic MORE meaningful to the idea of increased misdiagnosis, not less.

I dunno... go read a stats book maybe? The only linking factor between ADHD and autism is that they are diagnosed by the same doctors. That being the only linking factor is WAY important.

Ardentfrost · 05-30-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

No matter how much your kid is acting like a dick you will not get a psychologist to diagnose autism unless he's autistic. Maybe it's ADHD, maybe it's bad parenting, maybe it's something else. But if you honestly believe a parent can convince a doctor to diagnose autism when it's not indicated then there's nothing left to talk about.

*MAYBE* with ADD/ADHD but not with autism. Really, you're embarrassing yourself now.

The diagnosis provides closure and perpetuates an "oh well, nothing I can do about it" attitude. You get a lazy doctor and parents who want an easy answer, and that is the combination for a misdiagnosis. Will the testing for autism clear it up? I would guess so... but I'd bet most of the misdiagnosis in the world is because of jumped-to conclusions.

Ardentfrost · 05-30-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

What drugs are given to "high functioning" autistic children, and what effects do those drugs have on children that do not actually suffer from a form of autism?

Depends on the symtoms of the case. SSRI's can be prescribed and those can do MAJOR damage.

Dumpy Dooby · 05-30-2008, 02:53 PM

Something wrong with your kid? Let's just call it asthma or ADHD or whatever else fits. The increase in per capita diagnoses of asthma is indicative that asthma is being misdiagnosed. Parents just want to diagnose their children with asthma so that they can shift the blame from their bad parenting to the disease for their child's laziness and lethargy.

motivez · 05-30-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Oh my God, read what I'm saying.

Linking two unrelated behavioral problems statistically means that the trend is an increase in diagnosis of bahavioral problems. The fact that they are unrelated makes the statistic MORE meaningful to the idea of increased misdiagnosis, not less.

I dunno... go read a stats book maybe? The only linking factor between ADHD and autism is that they are diagnosed by the same doctors. That being the only linking factor is WAY important.

I have read what you're saying, so has everyone else in this thread.

Dumpy Dooby · 05-30-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Depends on the symtoms of the case. SSRI's can be prescribed and those can do MAJOR damage.

"High functioning" means that the disorder is not causing a chemical imbalance. Why would drugs be given to a patient that is diagnosed as not needing medication? Do the patients' doctors get their jollies of off contradicting themselves?

"You're high-functioning, meaning: you don't need medication, and your disorder can be treated by a therapist. Now hang on a second while I write you a prescription for anti-depressants."

7960 · 05-30-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

The diagnosis provides closure and perpetuates an "oh well, nothing I can do about it" attitude. You get a lazy doctor and parents who want an easy answer, and that is the combination for a misdiagnosis.

Most people think autism = retarded or mentally handicapped. You're saying people go to the doctor WANTING to hear that their kid is a retard, rather than "you need to be more strict as a parent"?

7960 · 05-30-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

"High functioning" means that the disorder is not causing a chemical imbalance.

No it doesn't. High functioning means the kid isn't affected as badly as some other kids. The disease/syndrome/affliction is still there. If (whatever it is) is caused by a chemical imbalance then the chemical imbalance is there.

"You're high-functioning, meaning: you don't need medication, and your disorder can be treated by a therapist. Now hang on a second while I write you a prescription for anti-depressants."

This is ignorant.

JaJae · 05-30-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

What drugs are given to "high functioning" autistic children, and what effects do those drugs have on children that do not actually suffer from a form of autism?

Nobody said anything about drugs, but if you know their diagnosis you're better prepared to handle them.

JaJae · 05-30-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

"High functioning" means that the disorder is not causing a chemical imbalance.

What? High functioning has to do with their social and cognitive abilities in relation to normal autism.

Why would drugs be given to a patient that is diagnosed as not needing medication? Do the patients' doctors get their jollies of off contradicting themselves?

"You're high-functioning, meaning: you don't need medication, and your disorder can be treated by a therapist. Now hang on a second while I write you a prescription for anti-depressants."

I don't think you understand what high functioning means in this case, nor do I think you have an generic understanding of aspergers.

7960 · 05-30-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

What drugs are given to "high functioning" autistic children, and what effects do those drugs have on children that do not actually suffer from a form of autism?

"high functioning" has nothing to do with whether they get drugs or not. they can be prescribed drugs to treat symptoms but there are no drugs for autism.

they might get something for anxiety (if they're anxious) or depression (if they're depressed), etc, but there's no "you're autistic, take this pill" drug/prescription.

Dumpy Dooby · 05-30-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

No it doesn't. High functioning means the kid isn't affected as badly as some other kids.

Oh, is that the empirical criterion for diagnosing "high functionality"? I must have missed that.

The disease/syndrome/affliction is still there. If (whatever it is) is caused by a chemical imbalance then the chemical imbalance is there.

All psychiatric disorders are caused by chemical imbalances. If there is no chemical imbalance, then the disorder is psychological and the treatment is: seek therapy.

This is ignorant.

Your opinion is wrong.

Dumpy Dooby · 05-30-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Nobody said anything about drugs, but if you know their diagnosis you're better prepared to handle them.

Did you read the post I quoted?

It's easier on the teacher if the kid is diagnosed with ADHD (for instance) because the resulting drugs makes the kid easier to deal with.
- Ardentfrost

WickedLou9 · 05-30-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Did you read the post I quoted?

It's easier on the teacher if the kid is diagnosed with ADHD (for instance) because the resulting drugs makes the kid easier to deal with.
- Ardentfrost

Why do you people keeping equating ADHD with Autism? They aren't even related. ADHD has nothing to do with this discussion.

WickedLou9 · 05-30-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Oh, is that the empirical criterion for diagnosing "high functionality"? I must have missed that.

All psychiatric disorders are caused by chemical imbalances. If there is no chemical imbalance, then the disorder is psychological and the treatment is: seek therapy.

Your opinion is wrong.

OMG really? You mean you have discovered the imbalance that causes AUtism?! This is quite a breakthrough! Especially since it flys in the face of everything that we know about Autism so far.

Autism Society of America: What Causes Autism

There is no known single cause for autism, but it is generally accepted that it is caused by abnormalities in brain structure or function. Brain scans show differences in the shape and structure of the brain in children with autism versus neuro-typical children.

You will win the nobel prize for this!!