Originally Posted by Stylerod You can't be serious. Me saying these guys needed more self control is the same thing as "legislating morality?" You might need to read what you wrote again because you are smarter than that. Your call for more self control should have nothing to do with ...
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06-04-2008, 01:31 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death!  libertarian Lake Stevens, WA 
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Your call for more self control should have nothing to do with the law, which is what is being discussed. To demand that guys have more self control and back it up with a law is, in fact, legislating your morality (which I may personally agree with, but that doesn't mean it's right to force it on others). 
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06-04-2008, 01:38 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by thewise1 A 22 year old adult screwing a 13 year old child is wrong, law or no law.
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06-04-2008, 01:41 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Right. So send the kid to prison, as the kid misrepresented her age, causing the felony to take place. The man should go free.
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06-04-2008, 01:54 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by thewise1 Or, he should have kept it in his pants and been responsible. Either way we are talking fantasy since neither happened or will happen.
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06-04-2008, 01:56 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by Stylerod He was responsible. All of his information confirmed that she was 19.
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06-04-2008, 02:02 PM
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| Perpetual Noob Independent
| Originally Posted by thewise1 If you had a 13 y/o daughter who misrepresented her age and got arrested, I don't think you would be looking at the guy as the victim. Would you? (I think either yes or no is a fair answer, I'm curious as to what you would think)
What if you weren't sure whether your daughter misrepresented her age or not. Would you want that doubt to be his get out of jail free card? | ||||
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06-04-2008, 02:17 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by Phantom God I'd be furious if that happened with my daughter, but if the guy thought she was old enough to make her own choice and could demonstrate it to me - which wouldn't be difficult in this situation because she already slutted it up with some other guy and got him sent to prison as well - then yes, I would look at him as the victim (of the law).
I'm not saying I'd like the guy after he had sex with my daughter. But I couldn't demand that he go to jail when he did his due diligence and she appeared to be of age. edit: by the way, I say this as a guy with a 1 year old daughter, so I do understand the love that parents have for their kids. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 02:30 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| I've been lurking this thread for some time now and couldn't understand how in the world anyone could disagree with motivez here and believe this person belongs in jail. But after reading some recent posts I have to say, Stylerod and Phantom have presented their case well. i see where they are coming from and I'm kinda torn about this. The girl was only thirteen. Those pictures are too blurry and too far away to tell what she really looks like. Just because she has boobs and a fat ass doesn't mean she looks or even behaves like a 19 year old. Thirteen is middle school... that's young. If the guy was really fooled, that sucks. Really it does, but what if he got her pregnant? Then what? Not everyone believes in abortion. He would have knocked up a minor. That would be a horrible thing. I feel for the guy. In the telling of the story within this article he was honestly duked and he had the balls to humble himself before the father and inform him. He did the right thing and I hate to see someone who did the right thing get punished. As such, I think his punishment is very harsh. I personally think he should have gotten probation at the most. The father on the other hand should be investigated by child protective services for allowing his daughter out late, at bars, and basically to roam the streets looking for sex. He should be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor and HE should have to hire a lawyer and defend himself in criminal court this time. His punishment should be more severe. I didn't recall reading anything about the mother either. But she should also be investigated depending on her role in the upbringing of this child. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 03:49 PM
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| laissez-faire  Capitalist
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06-04-2008, 03:52 PM
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| laissez-faire Capitalist
| Originally Posted by Stylerod hello mr and mrs smith. i met your daughter here at a bar the other night, she told me she's 18 and she looks 18 but i just wanted to make sure she's not actually a 13 year old lying to me about her age before i have a one-night-stand with her.
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06-04-2008, 03:54 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| I agree with whoever said that the "trying as an adult" thing should apply to this sort of thing too. If she's retarded enough to go the distance in misrepresenting her age so that she can have sex with guys legally too old to have sex with her, then the law should see her as an adult. The act of having sex with a 13 year old girl is most certainly wrong on a few levels. However, SHE is certainly responsible for it happening in this case. She is accessory to a crime because she made it happen. If he's going to get in trouble, so should she. And this guy is at least SOMEWHAT a victim here. He will be labeled as a pedophile for the rest of his life. Wherever he lives, he'll have to go around knocking on doors to let people know. He won't be able to live in neighborhoods close to schools. If a school is built in a neighborhood where he lives, he'll be forced to move. His name and location will be on the internet. He'll be turned down for jobs because of it. Him having sex with a girl who convinced him that she was old enough to have sex with has essentially ruined his life to some extent. That is serious shit, and it all started with her portraying herself at no less than 5 years older than she actually is. She deserves to burn in hell for her lie. I'm just speaking my mind here  | ||||
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06-04-2008, 03:55 PM
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| laissez-faire Capitalist
| Originally Posted by JaJae what if ANYONE got pregnant who didnt want to?
 what in the hell does that have to do with this case? that isnt what happened. she didnt get pregnant. this is some pretty crazy argument here, guy. besides, it takes 2 to tango as they say, and this is clearly not a case of rape. what if he did her in the butt and got a UTI?!!?!? WHAT THEN!! | ||||
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06-04-2008, 04:02 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by jimeigh The state has to protect 13 year old girls from getting pregnant. He's 22, he's supposed to know better.
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06-04-2008, 04:06 PM
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| laissez-faire Capitalist
| Originally Posted by JaJae this is bullshit.
oh, and she didn't get pregnant btw.
how about her? isn't SHE supposed to know better than to lie about her age so that she can fuck people and send two dudes to jail? | ||||
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06-04-2008, 04:10 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Probation still equals a sex offender scarlet letter. That damned sex offender scarlet letter needs to go away if you want to hold him responsible for something like this - it's going to ruin his life. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 04:11 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| Originally Posted by JaJae What? The state doesn't need to protect anyone from anything. They are there to prosecute the crime after it happens, not protect people from the crime.
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06-04-2008, 04:12 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
| And if so, the state needs to do a better job because people of far less moral character than this young man get away with it ALL THE FUCKING TIME in small towns. | ||||
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06-04-2008, 04:19 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost The sex offender thing is bullshit, especially when it is used for a 19 year old boy and a 17 year old girl or something. This one is cutting it close. I mean, how young is too young for consent? A lot of people are saying it's her fault because she lied. Well, she was 13. Would your view be different if she was 12? 11? 10? 7? I mean, where is the cutoff here?
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06-04-2008, 04:27 PM
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| laissez-faire Capitalist
| Originally Posted by Stylerod we use age as a matter of principle.
if she was a 12 or whatever year old girl who looked like she does in those pictures, meaning she could pass for an 18 year old, and if she went around lying about her age like an oscar winning actress so she could fuck at least two guys, im not about to blame the guys for the questionable encounter | ||||
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06-04-2008, 04:37 PM
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA
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