This is an interesting turn of events and its important to note that moderate-right over there would probably be a moderate democrat or even a slightly liberal democrat over here... Article1 BBC NEWS | Europe | New Swedish bloc poised for power Originally Posted by article New Swedish bloc poised ...
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| Liberals voted out in Sweden... This is an interesting turn of events and its important to note that moderate-right over there would probably be a moderate democrat or even a slightly liberal democrat over here... Article1 BBC NEWS | Europe | New Swedish bloc poised for power Originally Posted by article Article 2
BBC NEWS | Europe | Beauty of Swedish model disputed Originally Posted by article2 I found these to be pretty good articles, there's a host of articles on the bbc and on other sites right now regarding the moderate take over in sweden.
I'm awaiting their plans and hoping they do some real good. Things have been fairly bad over there according to a friend of mine that lived there for awhile. He was calling for reform years ago he'll probably be stoked about this | ||||
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| Well, I've voted for the Moderates since like forever so I'm slightly biased here but... I think the Moderates won because: a) It's very hard to win an election on past merits, the social democrats only had new welfare stuff, no real reforms to help Sweden grow. b) The welfare state won, the Moderates have accepted it and promised they will protect it, not dismantle it. None of the changes they make are drastic, but they focus on getting people jobs. The reasoning for this is: more jobs = more welfare for all. c) The scandal might have hurt the Liberal Party but the Social Democrates exaggerated it horrendously (comparing it to rape for example) and took pot shots at the Liberal Party members (not very smart in Sweden), this probably hurt the Social Democrates more than it did the alliance, members who were disappointed with the Liberal Party simply voted for the Moderates instead. d) There was a clear stable alternative to the past government, an alternative that was united, that enjoyed each others company and that had the good stuff from 4 parties. The government party (which led as a minority leader) and it's two helper parties did not present a clear unified front, instead there was some conflicts on how the new government should be formed, which might have scared some away. e) For 8 years the Swedish public have been again and again reminded that the Social Democrates hide the unemployed in special activities and early pensions. Some 26% of those with an early pension say they can work fulltime, 25% say they can work part time. (Early pension is for people with disabilities or similar which make them unable to work, however the social democrates started pensioning people who could not find work in 2+ years.) f) None of the base protection net is touched by the new alliance government, only the systems before you reach that. Heck, you have to be unemployed for 200 days before your welfare is lowered. However, after 300 days you fall to the early pensions compensation level. (Essentially, one year of work guarantees you 80% of your previous salary for 200 days.) g) The Moderates have moved to the left in the politics, aka, toward the "middle". Remember, in the beginning the changes won't be drastic, I think Sweden may adopt a more liberal view of things over time if we see the benefits of it. Remember that many here are willing to pay more taxes for welfare if needed... Yes, they're willing to pay more with 67% taxes already (40% employers before you even see your salary, 30% income tax on the actual salary after that, then 25% vat). It should also be noticed that if the Moderates was an US party it'd probably be labeled as communist. All Swedish parties are left of the main british ones and the US Democrates would be impossibly far to the right here making them essentially unsupportable. | ||||
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| Oh yeah, liberals were not voted out in sweden, the left was voted out and the "liberals+right" was voted in. ![]() The Enviroment Party is often labeled a middle party but some of their ideas about the economy are so super wacky I consider them the most left party of the big seven. (They believe most jobs will disappear in the future and that we should change society to accomodate now. Aka, they work to adjust Sweden to a society where most people don't work.) | ||||
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| Hey! Thanks for the insight on this. I've read about a half dozen articles that show they want to cut personal income taxes and drastically cut taxes on business do you think that will happen? It definately seems like a winner to me. | ||||
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| It depends on how you see it, this time around they've promised to "lower taxes within reason". The changes are not "drastic", they noticeable but not drastic. Mainly because the larger changes are for employing the unemployed and moving black market jobs to become normal jobs. In the past the Moderates wanted to dramatically drop taxes which made most of Swedes simply not vote for them because the cut would mean too large a change in the society (indeed, many political commentators considered the tax cuts so large it'd result in a massive deficit). This time around the idea is to balance the budget and keep paying off on the state debt, I even read through the social party propaganda page on why not to vote on the Moderates and while they lower taxes I still spotted nothing large enough to be drastic, or well, some may be drastic but read above. Let's see, the major economic changes are as follows: - Everyone gets about $120 less in taxes, however, you also need to pay more for car insurance, the unemployment insurance and union membership. This lowers the actual tax cut to like $20-$80 a month. - Freezing the house tax, essentially you paid a tax based on the value on your house (swedens oldest tax). This tax has been increasing rapidly lately and is becoming more and more unpopular. They want to remove this tax but it has quite large implications making it hard to remove. - Wealth tax, essentially if you had a lot of money you had to pay extra taxes, this meant rich people hid their money in other countries to avoid taxes. They hope this will bring money back to Sweden so it's invested here, creating more jobs and so on. - Unemployment insurance, after 200 days of unemployment the compensation is lowered form 80% to 70%, at 300 days it's lowered to 65%. (Was 80% the whole time before.) - State companies worth some $25 billion will be sold to pay off about a quarter of the state debt. - Service sector jobs (haircuts, cleaning, repair shops, restaurants) will get a 50% reduction in employers fees to fight black market workers. (Remember, the employers fees account for 32% of the salary.) - If you hire someone who's been unemployed over a year the employers fee will be nulled for the same length of time as the person has been unemployed for a maximum of 5 years. If the person is above 55 the time is doubled. Well, that's some examples. | ||||
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