Islam should be criticized

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

And you're equating boycotting with death threats? Boycotting is a perfectly acceptable form of protest against corporations that promote things you don't like.

@ you thinking that when you make a list of things, you're equating those things. When did I equate boycotts and death threats? I said those who criticize Christians will get death threats, boycotted, etc.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

And you only name 2 examples? Out of the dozens of examples of Muslims that are available? And again, neither one of the two examples has gotten hurt. They may have gotten death threats, but that's it. And btw, I looked up the Anglican Bishop and can only find out about his 24 hour fbi watch on gay websites. I could find no record of it on any legit news source.

You either suck at Google or you prefer to maintain the delusion Christians take criticism without threats of death. I'm not going to perform an exhaustive inquiry into every incidence of death threats by Christians, but since you brought up Hollywood and how there are no death threats, take a look at these:

NZ author suing over Da Vinci bestseller - 18 Dec 2004 - National News

But Baigent and Leigh, whose own 1982 work Holy Blood, Holy Grail caused such religious outrage when it was published that it sparked death threats, say Brown has lifted large tracts of their research without permission.

A Pulpit Online for Critics of 'The Da Vinci Code' Film - New York Times

Mr. Sheinberg spoke from bruising experience. "The Last Temptation," which depicted Jesus, while on the cross, doubting his faith and fantasizing about a more prosaic life, ignited a firestorm of protest against the studio, and Mr. Sheinberg received death threats, hate mail and even a pig's head mailed to his home at the time.

There, you've got some more examples. If you care to take your head out of the sand one day and learn how to use Google, you'll find hundreds more.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I didn't say THEY were under protection. I said the Bishop was. Here's your link:

Telegraph | News | Gay bishop kept under 24-hour FBI guard

And this is their reason:

Nine years ago Paul Hill, a former preacher and an anti-abortionist, shot dead a doctor and his bodyguard outside a clinic in Florida. Hill was executed for the crime last month.

It's so rampant!

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

You either suck at Google or you prefer to maintain the delusion Christians take criticism without threats of death. I'm not going to perform an exhaustive inquiry into every incidence of death threats by Christians, but since you brought up Hollywood and how there are no death threats, take a look at these:

NZ author suing over Da Vinci bestseller - 18 Dec 2004 - National News


A Pulpit Online for Critics of 'The Da Vinci Code' Film - New York Times


There, you've got some more examples. If you care to take your head out of the sand one day and learn how to use Google, you'll find hundreds more.

And yet, ZOMG, they're still alive!


Again, no one was killed, no riots took place, no buildings were bombed or set on fire, no cars were set on fire, etc, etc, etc. There is a difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by lew

And yet, ZOMG, they're still alive!

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by lew

There is a difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians.

Correct.

One has legitimate ties to the most powerful country in the world, and one fights from the shadows in 3rd world shitholes.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

And yet, ZOMG, they're still alive!


Again, no one was killed, no riots took place, no buildings were bombed or set on fire, no cars were set on fire, etc, etc, etc. There is a difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians.

When did I say there was no difference between radical muslims and radical christians? The point is that both try to indimidate critics into silence with violence, threats of violence, or some combination thereof, and it's wrong for anyone to be intimidated into silence regarding religious criticism.

Are you really going to argue that mere death threats do not silence criticism? Are you really going to defend Christians who give death threats because they don't often follow through?

Please, you and I both know death threats do a fine job of silencing criticism, and insofar as Christians and Muslims both try silence critics through intimidation, they're the same. It's rather pathetic that you're reduced to, "But...but...they don't burn buildings!!!! They only mail pig heads and death threats to people!!! See!! They're not that bad!!!"

The point remains that Christians often threaten those who criticize/offend them, sometimes kill them, and you're delusional for thinking critics of Christians operate with impunity.

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

When did I say there was no difference between radical muslims and radical christians? The point is that both try to indimidate critics into silence with violence, threats of violence, or some combination thereof, and it's wrong for anyone to be intimidated into silence regarding religious criticism.

Are you really going to argue that mere death threats do not silence criticism? Are you really going to defend Christians who give death threats because they don't often follow through?

Please, you and I both know death threats do a fine job of silencing criticism, and insofar as Christians and Muslims both try silence critics through intimidation, they're the same. It's rather pathetic that you're reduced to, "But...but...they don't burn buildings!!!! They only mail pig heads and death threats to people!!! See!! They're not that bad!!!"

The point remains that Christians often threaten those who criticize/offend them, sometimes kill them, and you're delusional for thinking critics of Christians operate with impunity.

I'm not defending Christians that do that.

What I am saying is that when someone seriously criticizes Christianity, they may get a few death threats, but when someone barely criticizes Islam (like with the cartoons) mass riots all over the world take place. There's a BIG fucking difference.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Correct.

One has legitimate ties to the most powerful country in the world, and one fights from the shadows in 3rd world shitholes.

You've got to be kidding me. You're going to say that radical Christians are more powerful than radical Muslims? Right, because even when the Religious Right has a lot of influence over America (like it does now), they still can't get abortion banned or ban homosexual marriage. But Muslims are bombing cities, having riots, and control several countries in the Middle East. But you're right, Christians are more powerful and more of a threat.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

I'm not defending Christians that do that.

What I am saying is that when someone seriously criticizes Christianity, they may get a few death threats, but when someone barely criticizes Islam (like with the cartoons) mass riots all over the world take place. There's a BIG fucking difference.

You seem to be a little lost. Let me summarize this thread so far:

The entire point of this thread is to say that Islam should be criticized, and people shouldn't be intimidated from doing so. However, all religions, including Christianity, should also be criticized, and people shouldn't be intimidated from doing so either.

As soon as I said this, you and others chime in with your delusions that Christians are constantly criticized and the critics operate with impunity.

I said that's not true...Christians regularly threaten and and sometimes kill critics. You scoff at that, and demand examples, specifically mentioning Hollywood...I showed you some choice examples, including ones from Hollywood.

Faced with the reality that Christians do threaten and kill critics, you start backtracking, saying, "Well!!!! They may give death threats!!! But they don't riot!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!" As if threats of murder are less intimidating than riots.

So here we are now...in an effort to try to reclaim some dignity in this thread where you've been proven wrong about how "peacefully" Christians take criticism, you've restorted to pounding your fist on the table, insisting there is a huge difference between threats of murder and riots, even though it's patently obvious both serve to stiffle criticism, i.e., the entire subject of this thread.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by lew

You've got to be kidding me. You're going to say that radical Christians are more powerful than radical Muslims? Right, because even when the Religious Right has a lot of influence over America (like it does now), they still can't get abortion banned or ban homosexual marriage. But Muslims are bombing cities, having riots, and control several countries in the Middle East. But you're right, Christians are more powerful and more of a threat.

I'm glad we agree.

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

You seem to be a little lost. Let me summarize this thread so far:

The entire point of this thread is to say that Islam should be criticized, and people shouldn't be intimidated from doing so. However, all religions, including Christianity, should also be criticized, and people shouldn't be intimidated from doing so either.

As soon as I said this, you and others chime in with your delusions that Christians are constantly criticized and the critics operate with impunity.

I said that's not true...Christians regularly threaten and and sometimes kill critics. You scoff at that, and demand examples, specifically mentioning Hollywood...I showed you some choice examples, including ones from Hollywood.

Faced with the reality that Christians do threaten and kill critics, you start backtracking, saying, "Well!!!! They may give death threats!!! But they don't riot!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!" As if threats of murder are less intimidating than riots.

So here we are now...in an effort to try to reclaim some dignity in this thread where you've been proven wrong about how "peacefully" Christians take criticism, you've restorted to pounding your fist on the table, insisting there is a huge difference between threats of murder and riots, even though it's patently obvious both serve to stiffle criticism, i.e., the entire subject of this thread.

Who's angry and pounding their fists on the table? I'm certainly not.

And you didn't post one single example of Christians killing critics. So...you're full of shit.

I agree with you that people have a right to criticize anything and everything. And that they shouldn't be killed over that. All I was saying, is that in today's world, you're much, much more likely to be killed over speaking ill of Islam than of speaking ill of Christianity. That's a simple fact. That's all I was saying.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

All I was saying, is that in today's world, you're much, much more likely to be killed over speaking ill of Islam than of speaking ill of Christianity. That's a simple fact. That's all I was saying.

Okay, point taken and agreed. You're more likely to be killed by a Muslim than a Christian, but that's irrelevant when it comes to the subject of silencing criticism via intimidation, as death threats and actual murder tend to both effectively shut people up...

And, in fact, I would argue people are more likely to be intimidated by Christians into silence in America, even though they're more likely to be killed by Muslims. Sure, you probably won't die, but you will have all sorts of wackos harassing you in your own neighborhood, if god forbid your address ever got out, and you will get more exposure to local people who will harass you...whereas if you criticize Islam, sure, the people whom you piss off are more likely to actually want to kill you, but then again, they're across the world and in reality will never get the chance.

What's more intimidating? People in your own neighborhood threatening to kill you, knowing they probably won't follow through? Or people half way across the world who probably would follow through, but could never get their hands on you?

[lew]

Looks like Madonna is on the scene again, with her new tour.


"Madonna will start shows on her new tour by descending from the ceiling on a giant cross. The crucifix will be made of diamonds and Swarovski crystals and has reportedly cost £5.7million, reports The Sun.

Despite having become a devotee of the Jewish-based Kabbalah sect, Madonna is still happy to use Catholic imagery to shock. She previously offended religious groups in 1989 with the video for her Like A Prayer single which featured her making love to a saint in a church."


ZOMG!!!!1111


But wait, while Christians are offended at this, I don't see any news of them rioting in the streets, bombing anything, or killing anybody.


Doesn't sound like Christians are that good in silencing anybody.


And yeah, NBC was going to show the concert, but decided not to show the cross part. Why? Because of Christians boycotting - which is perfectly, economically fine.


Looks like there is a difference between Muslims and Christians.

[ballz2wallz]

Christians might start burning madonna figures and calling for her assassination.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by lew

Doesn't sound like Christians are that good in silencing anybody.

You guys are owning yourselves:

BBC NEWS | Europe | Priest admits Madonna bomb hoax

Bomb threats do a pretty good job of silencing concerts.

You could've found this article in two seconds had you looked...further evidence you willfully ignore what Christians do.

I know it's hard to accept, cognitive dissonance and all that...but please, for your own serenity just come to terms with reality:

If you publically offend Christians, you will probably be threatened with death, and they will try to intimidate you into silence. Just keep repeating it and you'll eventually come to terms with it.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Christians might start burning madonna figures and calling for her assassination.

No, just bombing.

[ballz2wallz]

But it was a hoax...

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

You guys are owning yourselves:

BBC NEWS | Europe | Priest admits Madonna bomb hoax

Bomb threats do a pretty good job of silencing concerts.

You could've found this article in two seconds had you looked...further evidence you willfully ignore what Christians do.

I know it's hard to accept, cognitive dissonance and all that...but please, for your own serenity just come to terms with reality:

If you publically offend Christians, you will probably be threatened with death, and they will try to intimidate you into silence. Just keep repeating it and you'll eventually come to terms with it.

1. It was a hoax
2. It was ONE Christian - it wasn't a multitude of Christians, like what happens when Muslims become outraged
3. It didn't stop or silence anything, Madonna continued the tour


Now, let's compare what would happen if Madonna was using Muslim imagery in a mocking way in one of her concerts:
1. Muslims would be in the streets, all over the world, burning American and British flags, and burning life-size dolls of Madonna
2. People would be dying
3. Madonna would cancel the tour


There's quite a difference.