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Old 09-19-2006, 02:33 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
Gays are already integrated. We're currently in a war abroad. Gays are just currently discharged if they are found out.

The issue isn't whether or not gays can be integrated, its an issue of how long we can delay it.
They are not fully integrated. If someone knows they are gay, they get kicked out. They are not allowed in the military.
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:34 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by six6ftr View Post
It is interesting how everyone is talking about the gays in the military like they are open about it and waving flags while serving. The majority of the gay population from what I see are very low key. You can easily make assumptions about their sexual orientation but very few will speak up on their own.
That's because of the 'don't ask don't tell' policy
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:40 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by six6ftr View Post
It is interesting how everyone is talking about the gays in the military like they are open about it and waving flags while serving. The majority of the gay population from what I see are very low key. You can easily make assumptions about their sexual orientation but very few will speak up on their own.
Agreed.

My issue is when they do actually admit it they are automatically removed regardless of their service history or anything like that. Simply admitting it, to me, is not enough to justify dismissal. When their conduct becomes inappropriate, such as sexual harrasment, then they should be removed.
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:41 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
That's because of the 'don't ask don't tell' policy
Which is another bogus Clinton military policy that the vast majority of our servicemen disagreed with.
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:46 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
Which is another bogus Clinton military policy that the vast majority of our servicemen disagreed with.
So would you refuse medical treatment from a gay person?
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:48 PM   #46
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So would you refuse medical treatment from a gay person?
I don't understand the relevance.
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:54 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
They are not fully integrated. If someone knows they are gay, they get kicked out. They are not allowed in the military.
integrate means "complete to make a whole"

blacks weren't allowed in southern schools, even if they covered themselves in white paint

"don't ask don't tell" is an integration policy where gay people are part of the whole and thus completing the military, its not a good integration policy but it is a policy to try and include homosexuals
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:00 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
I don't understand the relevance.
There are many many highly qualified medical people who have been dismissed because of their sexual orientation. There have been many arabic translators who have been dismissed. They did NOTHING other than say "yes" when someone asked if they were gay. These kind of people are not a dime a dozen.

By removing these people because of their sexual orientation, it is essentially refusing treatment from them because they are gay. If i had to pick between highly qualified gay guy, and the dude who is green and never seen any combat..... guess which one i am choosing.
 
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
So would you refuse medical treatment from a gay person?
I probably would. I don't know what kind of diseases they might have. And you can't deny they have a higher propensity for diseases. The government likes to downplay the fact that HIV is still pretty much the 'gay disease' but homosexuals are still the biggest ones spreading HIV.
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
I probably would. I don't know what kind of diseases they might have. And you can't deny they have a higher propensity for diseases. The government likes to downplay the fact that HIV is still pretty much the 'gay disease' but homosexuals are still the biggest ones spreading HIV.
So you think a doctor or nurse who is gay is probably going to give you aids.





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Old 09-19-2006, 03:14 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
integrate means "complete to make a whole"

blacks weren't allowed in southern schools, even if they covered themselves in white paint

"don't ask don't tell" is an integration policy where gay people are part of the whole and thus completing the military, its not a good integration policy but it is a policy to try and include homosexuals
You're really stretching.

Definition of integrate - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

If you're going to use a definition try using the whole one and not a simplified version that isn't even common usage.

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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
I probably would. I don't know what kind of diseases they might have. And you can't deny they have a higher propensity for diseases. The government likes to downplay the fact that HIV is still pretty much the 'gay disease' but homosexuals are still the biggest ones spreading HIV.
...and blacks are much more likely to be infected than any other race...
 
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
So you think a doctor or nurse who is gay is probably going to give you aids.





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Doctors and nurses are not immune to HIV. You just never know.
 
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...and blacks are much more likely to be infected than any other race...
This is true.
 
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:19 PM   #55
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This is true.
so would you refuse treatment from a black doctor?
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
This is true.
Would you deny a black doctor because he is more likely to have AIDS?
 
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damn black doctors giving everyone aids.... this is what caused the aids epidemic imo.


 
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:27 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
We're not the Romans.
If not, we're dying to be so.

The Project For The New American Century has the objective to essentially drive the United States to become the new Rome.
 
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Originally Posted by Nonphixion View Post
If not, we're dying to be so.

The Project For The New American Century has the objective to essentially drive the United States to become the new Rome.
They also have been quoted saying specifically that... "we are the new rome"
 
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
They also have been quoted saying specifically that... "we are the new rome"
Well there you have it

Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
You're really stretching.

Definition of integrate - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

If you're going to use a definition try using the whole one and not a simplified version that isn't even common usage.
And whoa now, friend, what's wrong here ...?

Thorogrim said: "integrate means to complete and make a whole"
Webster's said: 1 : to form, coordinate, or blend into a functioning or unified whole : UNITE
2 a : to unite with something else b : to incorporate into a larger unit


How was he stretching?
 
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