military and gays - Page 6

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

How? Do they start butt humping during the mission?

I personally would feel uncomfortable living/showering/etc with an open homosexual. The same way I would with a female, its causes a distraction that is not needed and hurts mission performance.

So gay people have no discipline, can't maintain order, and bring everyones morale down. Nobody trusts them nor do any other service members have confidence in them. They can't follow a system of rank and command, and minimal privacy is a problem because they like to look at other guys dicks. People want to quit or they don't want to join knowing that gays are in the military. The public does not find the military acceptable with gays serving and they are a security liability.

I want to see a company come out and say that and then point to the federal government and say "they do it". Just to see the reaction.

the military is much different than any other company

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I probably would. I don't know what kind of diseases they might have. And you can't deny they have a higher propensity for diseases. The government likes to downplay the fact that HIV is still pretty much the 'gay disease' but homosexuals are still the biggest ones spreading HIV.

Link to evidence?

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

They also have been quoted saying specifically that... "we are the new rome"

So the Roman military was a great comparison to make.

And there were MANY MANY homos.....

As well as pedophiles.....

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Link to evidence?

In the UK, the USA and a number of other European countries, HIV and AIDS have affected young gay men more than any other group of people. In the UK and USA especially, the percentage of young gay men who have been infected with HIV and the percentage with AIDS are much higher than those among other groups such as heterosexual people or children.

In the USA, it is estimated that nearly 300,000 men were living with AIDS at the end of 2002, and another 420,000 had died. Almost 60% of men diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the USA were probably exposed to the virus through male-to-male sexual contact.
AVERT - A UK HIV and AIDS Charity

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

So the Roman military was a great comparison to make.

And there were MANY MANY homos..... As well as pedophiles.....

the roman military was defeated

Scrum · 09-19-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

And who says that gays are exclusivley liberal? I would make the arguement that a gay in the military is just as likely to be voting republican, pro military, and all the things that you mention as a straight man is.

NWS for the crybaby

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

"Homosexuality is incompatible with military service. The presence in the military environment of persons who engage in homosexual conduct or who, by their statements, demonstrate a propensity to engage in homosexual conduct, seriously impairs the accomplishment of the military mission. The presence of such members adversely affects the ability of the armed forces to maintain discipline, good order, and morale; to foster mutual trust and confidence among service members; to insure the integrity of the system of rank and command; to facilitate assignment and worldwide deployment of service members who frequently must live and work in close conditions affording minimal privacy; to recruit and retain members of the armed forces; to maintain the public acceptability of military service; and to prevent breaches of security."

Cliffs: Straight guys can't stop thinking about their buttholes.

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:45 PM

nws ban

Ardentfrost · 09-19-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

the military is and has always been the most conservative and political incorrect government agency

You posted that to prove my point?

I don't care about political correctness though, just people getting over themselves when it comes to discrimination. They can make an advertisement "The new military: now with Fag Friendly Firearms" for all I care, I simply think it is retarded to deny someone the ability to fight for their country because of their sexual preference.

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Cliffs: Straight guys can't stop thinking about their buttholes.

your level of discourse is amazing

Scrum · 09-19-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

the roman military was defeated

I have to go through this again?

Were they defeated because they had gay people?

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

the military is not about re-educating people about their thoughts regarding homosexuals they are in the business of providing the best defense possible

You are absolutley right. That's why human sexuality is none of their business. They should concentrate on shooting guns, running, jumping, and whatever else it is they do.

They should worry less about what kind of sex men and women in the military prefer...

Doesn't the military do a standard blood STD test before bootcamp? (Out of curiousity)

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

You posted that to prove my point?

I don't care about political correctness though, just people getting over themselves when it comes to discrimination. They can make an advertisement "The new military: now with Fag Friendly Firearms" for all I care, I simply think it is retarded to deny someone the ability to fight for their country because of their sexual preference.

just pointing out the reality of the situation.

Currently they hurt more than they help, so their help is not wanted

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

In the UK, the USA and a number of other European countries, HIV and AIDS have affected young gay men more than any other group of people. In the UK and USA especially, the percentage of young gay men who have been infected with HIV and the percentage with AIDS are much higher than those among other groups such as heterosexual people or children.

In the USA, it is estimated that nearly 300,000 men were living with AIDS at the end of 2002, and another 420,000 had died. Almost 60% of men diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the USA were probably exposed to the virus through male-to-male sexual contact.
AVERT - A UK HIV and AIDS Charity

So all of those men are in the military? And want to be in the military?

NO.

This is as bad as the syphillis arguement.

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

You are absolutley right. That's why human sexuality is none of their business. They should concentrate on shooting guns, running, jumping, and whatever else it is they do.

They should worry less about what kind of sex men and women in the military prefer...

When you join the military you have no privacy, everything of yours becomes their business.

Doesn't the military do a standard blood STD test before bootcamp? (Out of curiousity)

if I remeber correctly before and right when you get there and while you are in too

DosEquis · 09-19-2006, 05:50 PM

Andrew Sullivan is a conservative republican who is a homosexual. He actually would like to get married. He is an intelligent person who I think could serve in the military without causing any issue.

Bill Maher constantly takes jabs at him because he votes for people who are generally against his way of life.

IminWonderland · 09-19-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

your level of discourse is amazing

Oh get over yourself.

No one wants your bunghole, don't worry.

That's the problem as I see it. Straight men have some weird complex where they think that gay men want them. They don't. And when they are being shot at, they don't even more.

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

So all of those men are in the military? And want to be in the military?

NO.

This is as bad as the syphillis arguement.

I was pointing out that AIDS is a gay/drug user disease in america

Ardentfrost · 09-19-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

just pointing out the reality of the situation.

Currently they hurt more than they help, so their help is not wanted

Wow, do they really?

I bet all the non-out gays in the military helping out disagree with your statement.

kinggovernor · 09-19-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Oh get over yourself.

No one wants your bunghole, don't worry.

That's the problem as I see it. Straight men have some weird complex where they think that gay men want them. They don't. And when they are being shot at, they don't even more.

would you feel comfortable showering/sleeping/eating next to 20-30 guys all the time