Parents who believed prayer would save daughter charged with reckless homicide

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

Should a three year old have the right to off himself if his parents don't buy him the latest action figure?

I would find that utterly retarded and if it was my child, I would use force to save his life, yes.


But I still wouldn't want the State involved to save his life.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

I would find that utterly retarded and if it was my child, I would use force to save his life, yes.


But I still wouldn't want the State involved to save his life.

and if the parents are unwilling to do anything? (say you are the observant neighbor)

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by lew

So, people should not have the right of suicide?

Not a child. And adults should definitely not be allowed to encourage it.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

and if the parents are unwilling to do anything? (say you are the observant neighbor)

Then to me, yes, I would still intervene.


I still wouldn't want a centralized State to intervene.

[lew]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Not a child. And adults should definitely not be allowed to encourage it.

So, adults should have the right of suicide?

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

Then to me, yes, I would still intervene.


I still wouldn't want a centralized State to intervene.

What is the difference between you (a third party) and the state (a third party) intervening?

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by lew

So, adults should have the right of suicide?

Yeah sure. I'm all for full rights over yourself. But mommy, daddy, church camp whatever don't get to kill kids over religious believes. They aren't property and aren't capable of their own decisions in all cases.

[lew]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Yeah sure. I'm all for full rights over yourself. But mommy, daddy, church camp whatever don't get to kill kids over religious believes. They aren't property and aren't capable of their own decisions in all cases.

So, is the reason you are against child suicide because they are not capable of making informed decisions?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

What is the difference between you (a third party) and the state (a third party) intervening?

Because of proximity.


I don't have a problem with small and localized governments. It's a distant, powerful, large, centralized government I have a problem with.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

Because of proximity.


I don't have a problem with small and localized governments. It's a distant, powerful, large, centralized government I have a problem with.

So are you ok with centralized state governments then?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

So are you ok with centralized state governments then?

Over a centralized federal government? Yes.


But I like centralized local governments even better than state governments.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

Over a centralized federal government? Yes.


But I like centralized local governments even better than state governments.

So wait, you actually do believe that these things should be illegal, you just feel that instead of being dictated by a federal government they should be handled by more local governments?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

So wait, you actually do believe that these things should be illegal, you just feel that instead of being dictated by a federal government they should be handled by more local governments?

Would I actually want them on some law book somewhere? I don't know. I'd like to handle each case on a case by case method, because, again I think parents that believe their child will get better by refusing medicine is completely different from a wrathful parent that just doesn't want to give their child medicine because they hate the child or something to that effect.


But either way, yes, I would want it addressed at a very localized level.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

Would I actually want them on some law book somewhere? I don't know. I'd like to handle each case on a case by case method, because, again I think parents that believe their child will get better by refusing medicine is completely different from a wrathful parent that just doesn't want to give their child medicine because they hate the child or something to that effect.


But either way, yes, I would want it addressed at a very localized level.

Ok, say it is addressed at a localized level, and then the localized government which is elected by the local populace enters into a formal agreement with other local governments to form a state government for things such as trade. Would that be ok?

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by lew

Originally Posted by Dylith

And if the loving parents believed that sacrificing their child to a diety was the best thing to do?

I wouldn't want that illegal. And being that no religion in this country practices that, I have nothing to worry about.

Wait, you're OK with loving parents murdering their children for a deity, but you're not OK with abortion being legal because it violates a child's right to life?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Wait, you're OK with loving parents murdering their children for a deity, but you're not OK with abortion being legal because it violates a child's right to life?

I don't want parents murdering their children.



But if a child wants to sacrifice their self for a deity, why not?

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Ya, those children born into families with lazy parents deserve what they get, rite?

No, they don't deserve to die.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Dylith

Ok, say it is addressed at a localized level, and then the localized government which is elected by the local populace enters into a formal agreement with other local governments to form a state government for things such as trade. Would that be ok?

I don't believe any of that is necessary for trade.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

I don't believe any of that is necessary for trade.

That's not what I asked, I asked if that would be ok according to your political morals.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by lew