Looks like this is the next step for the Revolution. Fed Up Website: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ Announcement at 9pm EST tonight (by Ron Paul live) here: http://www.justin.tv/ronpaul2008 Letter from Ron Paul Dear Supporter, These past 17 months have been among the most exciting and eventful of my life. Together you and I ...
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| The Fed Must Go! Paleolibertarian ![]()
| Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty: The Revolution Continues Looks like this is the next step for the Revolution. Fed Up Website: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ Announcement at 9pm EST tonight (by Ron Paul live) here: http://www.justin.tv/ronpaul2008 Letter from Ron Paul
__________________ "An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425 (1885) Last edited by Fed Up; 06-12-2008 at 05:16 PM. | ||||
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA ![]()
| Joined. We'll see where it goes, though. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Interesting Do you guys think he should endorse Barr? | ||||
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| Give me liberty or give me death! libertarian Lake Stevens, WA ![]()
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| The Fed Must Go! Paleolibertarian ![]()
| It's a good question. Barr is too wishy washy IMO. Voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. Regrets it. I can't say this is a man of principle. People do change, but there's not enough history to make a well informed decision to endorse him. So I don't see Ron Paul, who hasn't been wishy washy for 30 years, endorsing him. But it's just an opinion... Fed Up | ||||
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| Member libertarian Kutztown PA ![]()
| I don't see why he would just pretend to be a libertarian though. He knows hes not going to be the president so it really doesn't matter if he secretly loves the patriot act, he'll never have to back up his words with actions. His candidacy's purpose is to drive the debate and draw attention to his ideas. So long as he keeps on talking the talk, what does it matter if he doesn't intend to walk the walk? | ||||
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| I'd like to see the Campaign for Liberty delve deep into Barr's philosophy, his regrets, and what happened that changed his mind. I think doing something like that could (potentially) open the doors for a solid endorsement from Ron Paul and the CfL members. That would spell a major victory for Libertarianism this election cycle... though it, of course, wouldn't change anything as far as November elections go. I joined the CfL. I joined before 6AM EST this morning and was about the 11kth member. It says he wants 100k before September which I think is attainable. | ||||
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| The Fed Must Go! Paleolibertarian ![]()
| I watched the announcement live last night and his video kicking off CfL this morning. I too signed up for CfL. I'm happy that he has taken the next step in organizing his supporters into one site to replace his campaign rather than the many, many that have popped up in the last year. This was the direction that was missing the last few months since that infamous video of him quasi giving up. He seem rejuvinated and has expressed a desire to keep making videos to keep the Liberty movement going. It seems that his campaign has split the Libertarians into two groups though wouldn't you say? Justin Raimando just wrote a piece on it: Taki's Magazine: Libertarianism’s Divergent Roads I can't say I agree with the folks at Reason for their attacks on Ron Paul. I'm glad he has gone his own way with the new site. Fed Up | ||||
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| Originally Posted by Fed Up Libertarians needn't get their panties in a wad if some leave their influence to follow RP's group. RP is bringing in people who weren't previously Libertarians to a group that isn't officially Libertarian but certainly libertarian. That's an overall win for little l's albeit perhaps a slight step backward for big L's.
There's always the chance that RP's group could get Republicans back on track... save the party. Big L's tend to think that isn't possible. I'm not going to say either group is correct in the assessment, but it doesn't hurt to try as long as the same ideals are being worked toward by both groups. Personally I see no other conclusion in the short term for CfL except to support Libertarians. | ||||
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| Lurker Conservative West Texas ![]()
| Thanks for posting this. I've always seen Ron Paul as more of a Constitutionalist than a Libertarian, but a rose by any other name and all that. | ||||
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| It's just splitting hairs to make a distinction with the current state of politics. No issue in need of immediate change would garner a difference in opinion on those groups. | ||||
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ ![]() ![]()
| Ron Paul's biggest problem was that he couldn't get his message off the internet. His supporters wanted us to believe he was more popular than he was and the media was getting sick of it and after a while turned him off. It's great that he's looking to expand his message off the internet, but he needs to make sure whoever is helping him with this is realist about what is going on. If they try putting up smoke screens to trick the world that it's something bigger than it is people will see through it again and just get tired of hearing it. The media will call BS and just ignore them as they did before. Ron Paul has a good message and ardent supporters, but the delivery thus far has sucked. This seems to be a complete overhaul of their delivery process which is exactly what he needs. | ||||
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| [hi-5] Independent Los Angeles, CA ![]()
| No I don't. Not when half his supporters are leaning towards Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. I think he'll do a dual endorsement without using the actual word. Campaign for Liberty is to spread the message, and promote like-minded candidates whether they be Democrat, Republican or part of a 3rd party. Which is cool. He has $5 Million to use, so why not use it in this way, that's what his supporters wanted.
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| Originally Posted by JaJae IMO, the media was after him from the beginning. I witnessed this first by watching Hannity and Colmes and the remarks that came out of Hannity's mouth and then tracked it on TV and radio the entire campaign.
In the beginning I was confused as to why Hannity would be this way as I really didn't mind Hannity. I had followed Ron Paul's writings prior to his run for the presidency and appearance on Hannity's show after the first debate. I knew of Paul's economic stance on things and was perplexed why Hannity would not latch on to these ideals. Of course the answer was Paul's stance on the war and foreign policy in general. The media treated Paul as if he had the plague or something. If it was the war issue, then why did the Left leaning news organizations also give him the cold shoulder? Wolf Blitzer was the only one who would mention Paul now and then. Glenn Beck, after first calling his supporters "terrorists," finally came around to him, but didn't flat out support him. Pat Buchannan spoke exactly like Paul did, but would never publicly support him, especially while a guest on FOX News. So I don't think that it was his supporters wanting you to believe he was more popular than everyone else, but the opposite...the media wanting you to believe that he was less popular. There was a Google study done on this in comparing Paul to Huckabee and relating it to media coverage. Yes Paul was popular on the internet. So was Obama. Obama got more airtime from the Left media (not from FOX, that's for sure). Paul got no airtime from anyone, not even radio. As a Republican candidate, he was treated like the unwanted stepchild. But of course, these types of discussions are moot, I understand this. I believe that what Paul realized is that the way to get his message to the masses is best served via the internet and person to person since the media was doing nothing to help his revolution. It is through these types of grassroots efforts, like the meetup groups that were very popular and still are, that he is trying to make a difference. 100,000 people speak to 100,000 people. 200,000 people speak to 200,000 people, etc. etc. If/when this happens, then who cares what the media says? At least that's how I viewed what transpired and what he's probably thinking now (based on his speech last night and his video email this morning). He's taking matters into his own hands and I agree...this is what he needs to do. It's nice to see him finally step up.... Fed Up | ||||
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| Some more on Ron Paul vs. Bob Barr for those interested... Comparing Ron Paul and Bob Barr on the crucial issues of the day Fed Up | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost Here's a take on the discussion of Libertarians. It will be interesting to see where things go with the party. I wish I was attending the FreedomFest in Las Vegas in July. I went last year and it's a good place to ask these kinds of questions... It was actually the first time I met Ron Paul...:
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| Member libertarian Kutztown PA ![]()
| I feel that the best shot libertarians have is influencing the two major parties. A moderate libertarian would probably be electable in todays electorate should one of the two major parties embrace them. Imagine if a candidate that takes the democratic rhetoric on social issues and republican rhetoric on economic issues, while far from an ideologically pure libertarian, you would have a candidate who would be electable and still by far and by wide more libertarian than either a McCain or an Obama. I could see a Republican who embraces these views rising very quickly in the party, particularly if the R's lose big time in November, which is seeming more and more likely. | ||||
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| Below is an analysis from Gary North on Ron Paul's latest announcement. His bottom line is "The problem is not lack of money. The problem is a lack of dedicated, competent, visionary people who are willing to keep on truckin.'"
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